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  •  You know what gets me? ... (1+ / 0-)
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    LaFajita

    Why did these officers, in the YouTube era, go ape shit in front of all these cellphone cameras?  I just don't get it.  Has Obama riled them to the point where they can't help themselves?

    Blagojevich/Palin '12.

    by fou on Sun Jan 25, 2009 at 02:52:10 PM PST

    •  Even without the prospect of that, (1+ / 0-)
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      one of my reactions to the punch video was that even if the officer had a legitimate reason to use physical force, the way he did it put himself and his partner in grave danger.

      I tend to be cautious about drawing conclusions until a thorough investigation has been made, even where there is video; still the officer seems so to be so reckless of his own safety its hard to imagine how it could possibly involved the kind of rational thought that says, "people might video this."  It'd make more sense to say, "they might jump us, take our guns and shoot us stone cold dead."

      Surely, if the officer were in sufficient danger to to justify force on that grounds,  given that he and his partner were outnumbered, that would be the time to step back and draw his sidearm.   If the officer needed to use force to subdue the suspect, he should have waited for backup rather than to start what might be a tussle in which his sidearm might present a fatal threat to every person in that station.

      I've lost my faith in nihilism

      by grumpynerd on Sun Jan 25, 2009 at 03:30:12 PM PST

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    •  it's the surveillance society (3+ / 0-)

      Like so many other aspects of modern technology, the incipient surveillance society is a double edged sword.

      The cops are accustomed to having the final authoritative say in the accounting of situations. They're not adjusted to the fact that cameras are ubiquitous now, and that they cannot monopolize the perception of truth any longer.

      Incidents like this are only shocking to those who have been under the belief that things like this do not happen; that police are here to 'serve and protect'. Video has a funny way of destroying that worldview.

      •  Somebody should tell Mike Davis. n/t (0+ / 0-)

        Blagojevich/Palin '12.

        by fou on Sun Jan 25, 2009 at 07:54:32 PM PST

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        is that there are plenty of people who even in the face of video evidence still don't care too much for punishing police who do murder non-white people.  Sadly several of those types around the dailykos.

        Incidents like this are only shocking to those who have been under the belief that things like this do not happen; that police are here to 'serve and protect'. Video has a funny way of destroying that worldview.

        Tim Wise On Israel: "The right to live wherever one chooses has never included the right to live in someone else's house, after taking it by force or fraud."

        by yellow is my favorite color on Sun Jan 25, 2009 at 07:57:15 PM PST

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