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  •  !!!! (9+ / 0-)

    There so many fallacious elements in this obscene comment, they can scarcely be unpacked. just two obvious ones.

    1. The right not to be subjected to torture or other cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment does not and cannot depend on the individual to whom it the treatment is being adminsitered.  It is absolute and can must apply to all persons simply because they are human.  The basis for the principle should not have to be explained.
    1. If they are being applied to "terrorists", I presume you mean people who have been convicted of terrorist offence pursuant to fair trial.  In which case you are also sanctioning cruel and unusual punishment, which is consitutionally proscribed.  If not, you have eviscerated the principle of presumsption of innocence.

    elicit "intelligence".

    "No one else could ever be admitted here, since this gate was made only for you. I am now going to shut it."- Franz Kafka, "Before the Law"

    by normal family on Sun Jan 25, 2009 at 04:06:41 PM PST

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    •  The guy is a young egoist (4+ / 0-)

      I guess you'd say a troll. Click on his I.D. and see who he publicly advertises himself to be.

      Thanks for your help, but this guy has really wasted our time.

      War is the statesman's game, the priest's delight, The lawyer's jest, the hired assassin's trade Invictus

      by Valtin on Sun Jan 25, 2009 at 04:11:38 PM PST

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      •  and a previous diary (3+ / 0-)
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        advocating that bush pardon all torturers, ostensibly to spare Obama a political headache....

        "No one else could ever be admitted here, since this gate was made only for you. I am now going to shut it."- Franz Kafka, "Before the Law"

        by normal family on Sun Jan 25, 2009 at 04:21:45 PM PST

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        •  Actually that was to ensure Bush would be forced (1+ / 0-)
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          to deal with his legacy of torture.

          There is going to be no prosecution of Bush administration officials for their torture policies. I was arguing that if he was forced to pardon them he would at least be forced to acknowledge he broke the law.

          Unlike now where he'll be able to claim he broke no laws because no prosecution was attempted. He's not going to be prosecuted the country doesn't have the political will or attention span to sit through a trial of that magnitude.

          •  There is no statute of limitations on war crimes. (1+ / 0-)
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            I will keep pushing for war crimes prosecutions for those involved in torture, from the highest to the lowest, under the Bush administration, until there is no longer breath in my body.

                Standing for justice and accountability,
                        For Dan,
                        Heather

      •  You sure you're not a closet NeoCon? (0+ / 0-)

        Dissent = Trolling?

        Unlike you I can have a discussion on an issue without getting all upset. And I can even disagree with someone once in awhile and not start demonizing them.

        •  closet neocon? (3+ / 0-)

          before making an accusation like that it is a good idea to check out someone's profile, diary and comment history, etc.  i think if you do, you will find your suggestion rather laughable.

        •  Perhaps I was too harsh to call you a troll (2+ / 0-)
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          But I thought that might sound better than saying you were an uninformed commentator blundering into a discussion that has very serious consequences for our country, not to mention an unknown number of innocent prisoners who face at a minimum cruel, inhumane and degrading treatment.

          This is no game.

          If I thought you knew what you were talking about, or had serious disagreements based upon some kind of experience or study, that would be one thing. But to get to see your name in print, and put forth your ideas and not really have the faintest idea whether these ideas are important, or accurate, or anything, but whose greatest proof of their relevancy is that they sprung from your brain... well, I thought I'd let it go as the comments of a troll.

          OK, so you are not a troll. You may have good instincts, I don't know, to even hang around this diary. You say you are interested in getting Bush on the torture issue. Then I suggest you read deeply and long for awhile, really study the issues, and then come back with your own diary and/or truly relevant comments.

          War is the statesman's game, the priest's delight, The lawyer's jest, the hired assassin's trade Invictus

          by Valtin on Sun Jan 25, 2009 at 08:21:04 PM PST

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        •  Valtin has been for YEARS (1+ / 0-)
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          fighting to stop torture as the law, policy and practice of the United States, and against the use of Psychologists in the torture of prisoners in Guantanamo. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about !

          Standing with Valtin and for justice and accountability,

                 For Dan,
                 Heather

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