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  •  Until we agree on definitions (0+ / 0-)

    we really have nothing to say.

    The religious right are not conservatives.
    The neocons are not conservatives.
    The bigots and racists are not conservatives.
    The dominionists are not conservatives.
    Rush Limbaugh is not a conservative.
    George W. Bush is not a conservative.
    Dick Cheney is not a conservative.

    If you're still confused perhaps it's because you have bought into the MSM definition of conservatives.

    A conservative protects "Things Permanent". The land should not be poisoned, BLM land should not be overgrazed, and forests should be managed for future generations.

    I believe that drinking from rivers and streams should not kill people or livestock.

    I believe in the Constitution and the rule of law.

    I believe in government of the people, by the people, and for the people, not for corporations.

    I believe that elected and appointed officials, from the president down, are servants of the people, not their rulers.

    I believe in separation of church and state.

    I believe that having more people in prison than any other country in the world is a horror.

    I believe that having a higher percentage of our people in prison than any other country in the world is a disgrace (land of the free?).

    I believe congress getting automatic pay raises while the minimum wage is static for ten years is cruel.

    I believe that the only industrialized country in world that doesn't have universal health care should be ashamed.

    I believe that sending young men and women off to war and neglecting them when they come home is criminal.

    I believe that any action that improperly prevents or discourages people from voting should be prosecuted.

    I am a conservative.

    •  Fine, OK. (0+ / 0-)

      You haven't quite answered my questions, but OK. And I'm sorry you're so exercised by my line of questioning--I really don't get it.  

      BTW, what's the difference between you and a liberal?  Sex, drugs, and rock'n'roll, maybe?

      The '60s were simply an attempt to get the 21st Century started early....Well, what are we waiting for? There's no deadline on a dream!

      by Panurge on Tue Jan 27, 2009 at 06:02:47 AM PST

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      •  I haven't answered your question (0+ / 0-)

        because we don't speak the same language and I can't answer your question in a meaningful manner using your definitions. I'm fairly certain you aren't even asking the right questions.

        Your first reply in this conversation was highly insulting and I can't get over that. Sorry.

        There are more than a few conservatives or former conservatives here at dkos. In my own experience I've seen the country dragged ever to the right for forty years and I don't like it. What passes as the Republican Party today is an assemblage of fringe elements, each of which is an embarrassment. They have no center.

        I was raised with whites only drinking fountains and blacks in the balcony in movie theaters. But I also remember that it was a conservative icon, Eisenhower, who sent the 101 Airborne into Little Rock to integrate the schools. Shamefully that was the trigger for the Southern Manifesto and the end of the Democratic South. It was also Eisenhower who warned us about the military/industrial complex. There's some rich irony in there somewhere.

        I might fit comfortably into the liberal wing of the Republican Party. It seems many have forgotten there was once such a thing. But don't get me started on the Dulles brothers. The '50's were not a utopian age. I'll leave it to you to read some history.

        But now that I have given you my definition of conservative, perhaps you would be so kind as to share your definition of liberal, then, after some negotiation I'm sure, we can talk.

        As for sex, drugs, and rock'n'roll...
        I have some good memories. ;-)

        •  Look... (0+ / 0-)

          The only thing I was really saying was that it's not smart to take certain attitudes or rhetorical angles when trying to convince people.  That's it--it really was.  You can agree or disagree--it's not a matter of having to define terms.  It applies whatever you call yourself.

          The '60s were simply an attempt to get the 21st Century started early....Well, what are we waiting for? There's no deadline on a dream!

          by Panurge on Wed Jan 28, 2009 at 10:47:18 PM PST

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          •  And I object to (0+ / 0-)

            your certain attitudes and rhetorical angles. Go back and read what you wrote. There's more than a little disdain there and what's with the shouting and the inappropriately places periods?

            But anyhow, so long, and thanks for all the fish.

            •  OK. (0+ / 0-)

              I'm sorry I insulted you.  

              But sometimes I hear things over and over and they just tick me off.  You said something that ticked me off.  How about this:  Saying what you said to people you're trying to convince is counter-productive.  Is that better?

              The '60s were simply an attempt to get the 21st Century started early....Well, what are we waiting for? There's no deadline on a dream!

              by Panurge on Thu Jan 29, 2009 at 05:16:29 AM PST

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              •  Accepted (0+ / 0-)

                Your assumption of a conservative's reaction is based on another assumption, that all conservative are the same. As I said earlier, there are more than a few conservatives or former conservatives here at dkos including Markos himself. I rather doubt that many of them (us) are (were) ideological conservatives.

                Speaking for myself, I'm a fiscal conservative and a social liberal who believes there is a time for Keynesian measures. The distance between pragmatic conservatives, such as myself, and moderate liberals is small enough that the labels only get in the way.

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