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  •  I personally don't think (9+ / 0-)

    she's far right or far left.  She's exactly as her record illustrates: a centrist, Blue Dog Democrat whose own career was facilitated by family connections--namely those of a lobbyist father who has strong relationships with some of the most powerful Republicans in the state.  

    I'm sure you have admiration for her personally, but I don't come here to hear advocacy from other political insiders; I'm here to discuss improvements to the Democratic legislative caucus, and a Blue Dog as my new senator is distinctly at odds with that.  I'm shocked that this viewpoint would be painted as somehow illegitimate on this blog.

    With hope and virtue, let us brave once more the icy currents, and endure what storms may come. - President Obama

    by GN1927 on Mon Jan 26, 2009 at 01:10:45 PM PST

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    •  It's not illigitmate (2+ / 0-)
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      It is a perfectly valid concern. In regard to Kirsten Gillibrand I happen to believe it is an overblown concern.

      For instance, much has been made, as you note in your comment, about her fathers lobbying connections to Republicans.

      However, I have yet to read anyone comment how he also has lobbying connections to democrats or how state government has been in control of republicans so any lobbyist would have to have connections to republicans if they were to do their job.

      Similar to your shock is mine at seeing someone like her that has worked her rear-end off in getting where she is, someone who worked her rear-end off in getting rid of a perfectly horrid rethuglican John Sweeney in the most rural, most conservative district in the state, is having all her hard work and effort discounted and blown off because her father just happens to have a job in politics.

      How short our memories are. Kirsten's victory was the 15th seat. The 15th seat that just happened to flip control of the House of Representatives from Republican to Democratic control.

      Kirsten Gillibrand was then the first member of the House to start posting her daily schedule on her website including all meetings with lobbyists. She published all her earmark requests including who they benefitted.

      How soon after all our very legitimate complaints about Abramoff/DeLay Republicans do we now hammer the one person that took decisive action to open government and transparency.

      John Sweeney was a thug that stopped the recount in Florida 2000 and never in his 8 years in office met with his constituents.

      Kirsten Gillibrand hangs out at the local grocery stores in every rural town in the district to shake hands and talk with everyone, regardless of political stripe, about their concerns and problems.

      Did you know that one of the, if not the, absolutely most liberal members of the New York delegation when he heard about her posting her meetings and earmarks reacted by saying he'd have to talk with her about that and get it stopped because she was just being too naive? I for one was amazed and very disappointed in this particular liberal. But Kirsten didn't back down after that liberal talked with her and she continues to practice open government.

      There are reasons for people to be concerned about some of the positions she has taken. I disagree with her on some of the positions she has taken and I've told her so.

      But I strongly believe in her and I strongly believe that many of people's concerns are overblown and causing folks to over look the very solid qualities she brings to the position.

      Hence my request... relax, give her a chance. She how she does as Senator. Personally I think you'll be very pleased when all is said and done.



      former Internet Outreach Coordinator for Gillibrand '06

      by Andrew C White on Mon Jan 26, 2009 at 01:49:48 PM PST

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      •  Amen... (1+ / 0-)
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        Several in my family, including avid Dean supporters, helped get Kirsten elected and continue to support her. Her responsiveness to her constituents is such a breath of fresh air... we should all wish our Congress person was so accessible.

        My friends and family who live in her district from the Adirondacks to Columbia county would not support her if she wasn't progressive in her views and moving things in the right direction politically. But, she is and so they do!

        It's unfortunate to read the insults and insinuations that she is unprincipled, Palin-like, and has only gotten where she is because of her connections show how "group think" spreads... often totally not based in reality. It's not easy being a progressive and/or a Democrat in some regions of this country. When someone comes forward and actually makes the inroads and contributions as Kirsten has, it's worth giving her a chance! Thanks for speaking your mind about it. I'm sure you know of what you speak!

      •  I bring up her father (2+ / 0-)
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        to note the hypocrisy of those who claim that politicians who have advantages via familial connections do not deserve the chance to prove their bona fides.  To me, the dynasty argument is all bs.

        My issue is ideology.  We could have done much better than a Blue Dog for this senatorial appointment, and it is strange to me that people would claim that a politician who is the member of a a conservative Democratic coalition and who is expected to shift positions for political expediency is somehow superior to a politician who holds progressive viewpoints in the first place.  Extremely unconvincing argument, one which unwittingly paints an unflattering image of this politician's core beliefs and ethics.

        With hope and virtue, let us brave once more the icy currents, and endure what storms may come. - President Obama

        by GN1927 on Mon Jan 26, 2009 at 02:03:36 PM PST

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        •  The dynasty argument is not (0+ / 0-)

          one that I have ever used.

          Kirsten is as hard working as anyone in politics. She has earned where she is and will earn where she is going. She is a freaking dynamo and the next time New York has a blackout all they need to do is wire her up! She'll power the entire northeast all on her own.

          Ideology is great until it gets in the way of reality. I have very strong ideological beliefs but I also know that reality includes lots of people that don't agree with me and that if I want things to move in my direction then I need to be able to work with those folks in crafting compromise solutions that work for all of us.

          And I'll match your "it is strange to me" by how I think it is strange that people think someone is automatically a particular ideology and automatically capable and automatically going to make things wonderful just because they belong to a particular family.

          Not all Kennedys are liberals. Not all Kennedys are capable. Not all Kennedys are born politicians. Some Kennedys are jailbirds. It amazes me that people think Caroline would automatically be wonderful!

          Don't get me wrong. I think she seems like a wonderful person and I would have been excited to see her run for office and show us what she's got. But she didn't. And we don't know what she's capable of.

          What I can tell you is that in the tough arena of Senate politics Kirsten will more then hold her own and will deliver for the state and for the country. This I know for a fact. I've seen her in action.

          With Caroline... we just don't know. We can guess. But we just don't know.

          Now... and I've said this all along... there are several very good, very qualified, very experienced New York Congresspeople that would also have made excellent Senators and I wouldn't have objected if one of them had been selected instead of Kirsten. I'm far from saying she is the only one but I will say with any doubt that she will be an excellent Senator and I will say that Caroline Kennedy, due to lack of experience, ranks far behind not only Kirsten but many of those other Representatives in consideration for the office of Senator. And that ain't a knock on Caroline. It is a fact of the very deep and wide bench here in New York and the fact that she has done other things with her life then politics.



          former Internet Outreach Coordinator for Gillibrand '06

          by Andrew C White on Mon Jan 26, 2009 at 02:23:44 PM PST

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          •  Well that particular Kennedy (3+ / 0-)
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            is a progressive whose views wouldn't require about-faces in order to become commensurate with the mainstream of the party.  Ideologically, Gillibrand just isn't there, and it's near scary to me that people would so cavalierly claim that about-faces on some extremely visible issues will be automatic and costless.  Gratuitously messy situation; there is no reason in the world that Paterson needed to have made such a controversial selection.

            With hope and virtue, let us brave once more the icy currents, and endure what storms may come. - President Obama

            by GN1927 on Mon Jan 26, 2009 at 02:28:30 PM PST

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