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  •  So you don't care about her parents (4+ / 0-)
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    right, and the leg up that she got over other politicians because of her father specifically, but Kennedy is a monarch for doing the same thing -- namely using doors which open via her name to serve the public.  The dynasty argument is a wash in such a non-meritocratic machine politics state.  It should have been all about ideology from the get-go.

    With hope and virtue, let us brave once more the icy currents, and endure what storms may come. - President Obama

    by GN1927 on Mon Jan 26, 2009 at 01:20:07 PM PST

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    •  She ran for office already and won (1+ / 0-)
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      CParis

      Gillibrand has her own public service on which she can be judged.  

      It's never just about ideology, because there's nothing which would place Kennedy's ahead of Nadler's, is there?

      •  And I firmly believe that Kennedy (1+ / 0-)
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        would have won in 2010.  Both of them, both Kennedy and Gillibrand, have advantages that other politicians who are not from connected families do not have.  It's a wash.  But blogs advocated against the Kennedy while the lobbyist's daughter, member of the Blue Dog Coalition gets a pass?  What's wrong with this picture?

        With hope and virtue, let us brave once more the icy currents, and endure what storms may come. - President Obama

        by GN1927 on Mon Jan 26, 2009 at 01:32:27 PM PST

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        •  But Gillibrand's "advantages" ... (0+ / 0-)

          ... are all inside baseball.  They don't help her with voters at all; if anything, as y'all argue, they make her less attractive.

          CK can run next year.

          •  Sorry, that doesn't hold water (1+ / 0-)
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            Politics here, despite someone claiming that machine politics in NY have disappeared (wow), isn't a perfect meritocracy.  In order to be postured to get in front of voters, yes, Gillibrand had advantages via her connections that others did not have.  Is it fair?  No.  But it's neither here nor there in this context.  The dynasty stuff is a wash because this isn't a meritocratic context.  This should have been an ideological analysis, not some destructive purity festival which did in fact help set a narrative which caricatured the person who was potentially the most progressive and threatening selection choice.

            With hope and virtue, let us brave once more the icy currents, and endure what storms may come. - President Obama

            by GN1927 on Mon Jan 26, 2009 at 01:38:58 PM PST

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      •  But then you say don't judge her record (0+ / 0-)

        You're not making alot of sense. She's a self-professed conservative and an authentic member of the House Blue Dog coalition.

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