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  •  Please reread my comment/criticism: (1+ / 0-)
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    I must know who are these 'operative/fascist's you speak of?

    Also read the response by the diarist:

    generally there are people who ask the wrong questions, or present the wrong rationale for their position, and they are either half-way to figuring out how wrong they are, or they're just stupid, or they're an operative of some sort. you don't think there are operatives who monitor the great daily kos, and then go about posting diaries/comments with the intent to distract others from the truth and what's significant?

    Last I checked we were supposed to be a fact based community.

    The business of Nations is never morality. Moral stories live only through people.

    by tecampbell on Tue Jan 27, 2009 at 11:44:13 PM PST

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    •  well (3+ / 0-)

      one of the funny things about facts, is that there are more than one kind. the established and the emerging.

      all i can tell you is that as far as the information i've processed over the seven/eight years i've spent posting on public forums, my opinon is that there are obviously operatives posting here at daily kos. and by operative i mean people who are not progressive americans, and who are interested in keeping the corporate status quo in place more than anything else. government by corporate charter is another phrase for fascist government.

      there are a lot of established facts which back my opinion. but it's not something i'm about to go hunting for. busy with other endeavors.

      working consciousness to raise consciousness

      by john de herrera on Tue Jan 27, 2009 at 11:57:23 PM PST

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      •  Emerging? (0+ / 0-)

        one of the funny things about facts, is that there are more than one kind. the established and the emerging.

        As in unsubstantiated?

        Those are things that are not facts.  They are either base opinions or hypotheses backed by convincing evidence (none of it posted here, I might add).

        Yet, they are not facts.

        When you start guessing that unnamed people on this site are operatives without evidence you set the stage for little more than a witch hunt.

        Who are the operatives?  What did they do?  Who do they work for?  How deep are they burrowed?  It's a conspiracy!

        The business of Nations is never morality. Moral stories live only through people.

        by tecampbell on Wed Jan 28, 2009 at 12:09:49 AM PST

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          subjective opinion (my fav pizza topping) will never be fact.

          objective opinion (if you don't put on sunblock, you'll get burned) can become fact with time.

          do all opinions based on what we clearly know to be true become facts? of course not.

          but you do believe conspiracy is a fact don't you? there are laws on the books concerning it. there is such thing as conspiracy.

          what it is today, and who's involved? i could make educated guesses and informed opinions, but what's the point?

          the point i wanted to make for those who have not battled for truth and justice for years on end, is that there is such thing as people who consciously attempt to distort the truth in discussions such as this.

          shall we leave it there?

          working consciousness to raise consciousness

          by john de herrera on Wed Jan 28, 2009 at 12:17:29 AM PST

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          •  I'm fine with that. (1+ / 0-)
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            I have read 'Toxic Sludge is Good for You'.  I know how PR works and how insidious it is.

            I just had a problem with you calling out other users here without actually calling out the users which you are referring to.

            It lends to a general dis-ease on this site.

            Please understand the motivation of my criticism.

            The business of Nations is never morality. Moral stories live only through people.

            by tecampbell on Wed Jan 28, 2009 at 12:21:10 AM PST

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            •  now i do, (1+ / 0-)
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              thanks for clarifying.

              if i knew for sure someone was receiving some sort of compensation for posting comments here at dkos, i doubt i'd say anything. i have this belief that deep down beneath it all, we're all--every one of us--buddha. the only difference between us is the degree to which we're polished and ready to move on to the next level.

              working consciousness to raise consciousness

              by john de herrera on Wed Jan 28, 2009 at 12:27:40 AM PST

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      •  No doubt, John (1+ / 0-)
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        No doubt.

        "Fear not the path of truth for the lack of people walking on it." Robert F. Kennedy

        by enough already on Wed Jan 28, 2009 at 12:16:30 AM PST

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      •  Mussolini said fascism was opposite of Democracy (1+ / 0-)
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        ...Fascism denies, in democracy, the absur[d] conventional untruth of political equality dressed out in the garb of collective irresponsibility, and the myth of "happiness" and indefinite progress....

        ...iven that the nineteenth century was the century of Socialism, of Liberalism, and of Democracy, it does not necessarily follow that the twentieth century must also be a century of Socialism, Liberalism and Democracy: political doctrines pass, but humanity remains, and it may rather be expected that this will be a century of authority...a century of Fascism. For if the nineteenth century was a century of individualism it may be expected that this will be the century of collectivism and hence the century of the State....

        ...The Fascist State organizes the nation, but leaves a sufficient margin of liberty to the individual; the latter is deprived of all useless and possibly harmful freedom, but retains what is essential; the deciding power in this question cannot be the individual, but the State alone....

        ...For Fascism, the growth of empire, that is to say the expansion of the nation, is an essential manifestation of vitality, and its opposite a sign of decadence. Peoples which are rising, or rising again after a period of decadence, are always imperialist; and renunciation is a sign of decay and of death. Fascism is the doctrine best adapted to represent the tendencies and the aspirations of a people, like the people of Italy, who are rising again after many centuries of abasement and foreign servitude. But empire demands discipline, the coordination of all forces and a deeply felt sense of duty and sacrifice: this fact explains many aspects of the practical working of the regime, the character of many forces in the State, and the necessarily severe measures which must be taken against those who would oppose this spontaneous and inevitable movement of Italy in the twentieth century, and would oppose it by recalling the outworn ideology of the nineteenth century -

        Benito Mussolini (1883-1945) over the course of his lifetime went from Socialism - he was editor of Avanti, a socialist newspaper - to the leadership of a new political movement called "fascism" [after "fasces", the symbol of bound sticks used a totem of power in ancient Rome].

        In 1932 Mussolini wrote (with the help of Giovanni Gentile) and entry for the Italian Encyclopedia on the definition of fascism.

        check out the link here
        http://www.fordham.edu/...

        You feel it when you go to work, or go to church or pay your taxes. It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth.

        by MinistryOfTruth on Wed Jan 28, 2009 at 12:25:05 AM PST

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