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  •  I'm sick of people bashing packaged food. (1+ / 0-)
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    No, I don't bother to buy organic food, because it's far more expensive and I have yet to see any real benefit, as opposed to a placebo effect. Processing food isn't some great evil that replaces all the nutrients with sugar and fat.

    •  Um... (8+ / 0-)

      yeah, it usually does....
      Just read some labels so you know what you are eating.

      "Chance favors the prepared mind"

      by tlemon on Tue Jan 27, 2009 at 04:58:49 PM PST

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    •  You don't seem to know much about (7+ / 0-)

      processed foods. Read up on this, don't be fooled by what the MSM adverts tell you...

    •  Studies (yes actual studies) (6+ / 0-)

      show that 60 plus percent of organic food has more nutrients than non-organic counterparts.

      Research is your friend.

      There are bagels in the fridge

      by Sychotic1 on Tue Jan 27, 2009 at 05:21:48 PM PST

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      •  Actually, they don't. (1+ / 0-)
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        Studies (not sponsored by organic food advocates) have consistantly shown that it does not provide any more nutrients.  

        •  please see (3+ / 0-)

          ~Is Agribusiness Making Food Less Nutritious? (2004)

             Comparisons of 2004 data from the USDA's National Nutrient Database, with numbers from 1975, show declines in nutrients in a number of foods (see "Signs of Nutrient Decline," below) as well as some increases. When reports of apparent downward trends in nutrient content in vegetables and fruits appeared in 1999, we wrote to then-U.S. Secretary of Agriculture Dan Glickman for an explanation: "Is the drop linked to preventable factors, such as American agriculture's dependence on acidic nitrogen fertilizers and the effects of acid rain? Will you ask your top scientists to give us some direct answers?"

             Writing on Glickman's behalf, Phyllis E. Johnson, director of the USDA's Agricultural Research Service in Beltsville, Md., confirmed the findings. "It is true that in many (but not all) cases, the apparent nutrient content of these vegetables decreased," Johnson said. She went on to list variables that might be related to the apparent decline, but she offered no indication that anyone at the USDA would be studying the issue further.

          ~21st Century Homesteading: Why Grow Your Own Food? (2007)

              The U.S. Department of Agriculture’s own figures indicate that the nutrients in the American food supply have been declining for decades. Many factors are at fault, from the declining levels of minerals in our soils because of our agricultural practices (more mining operation than farming) to the enormous distances we move our foods (an average of 1,500 miles from field to table), necessitating harvest before peak ripeness and peak nutritional content.

             The picture gets worse when we consider processed foods. The truth is, many of the products in the supermarket today are concoctions from a narrow base of commodity ingredients that are not the nutritional equivalents of the traditional foods they replace.

          Liberal/Blades 2012
          The hippies had it right all's about time...the culture as a whole sent out a big, wet, hemp-covered apology.MMorford

          by RiaD on Tue Jan 27, 2009 at 11:04:25 PM PST

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        •  The DoA used to publish nutritional tables... (4+ / 0-)
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          based on a typical basket of goods study conducted around the country and then averaged into a national table.  This study was conducted annually from the early 1900s until sometime in the 1990s (when it was shutdown, given the nutritional content of store purchased foods was approaching 1%, with 99% of the content being fiber.)

          Given properly grown organic food (not just labeled as such), the nutritional content can easily be increased to in excess of 50% (with the balance being fiber).  

          This is not a myth.  

          Given a competent organic farmer who knows how to deliver high nutrient and micro-nutrient levels through the proper buildup of the soil, one can readily achieve much higher nutritional value than by eating the colorful "cardboard" typically on sale in chain stores (where chemical fertilizers are used to rapidly produce growth in plants, leading to over-developed fiber and underdeveloped nutritional content).

          Not only will the organic food taste better, but one will find they have less hunger cravings, given most nutritional needs are being met by the higher quality foodstuffs.  (there is a corralary study just begging to be done comparing obeisty versus the decling nutiritional value of store purchased foods)

          The issue really is this:  Just because a store purchased food carries an organic label does not assure that it in fact has been raised in the proper soil environment needed to deliver the higher nutritional content.

          Basically, it takes more than manure to produce a high value, high content food stuff.  Manure typically equals Nitrogen (which accelerates leaf growth, and on its own, will also produce a high fiber food).  Guanos, on the other hand, are more diversified in their N-P-K distribution and are worth using (if you can find an acceptable local source).  (oh, guano = bird poop, lol)

          I miss those old DoA tables.  Sad though to see the steady decline in nutritional content over the years(it seemed to bottom out in the 1980s and hovered in single digits for about 10 years prior to the study being shutdown).

          Did I mention I was an avid organic gardener for years, lol?  What I did, was make my own organic mixes from materials I sourced locally (with the exception of some high value additives such as greensand, and some of the more exotic guanos).

          I found by careful soil preparation, I could even grow high value crops such as brocolli year round (even under a 3 foot snow pack), if I protected the plants from the wind.  Nothing tastes better than fresh picked brocolli in February, taken from under the snow.  (in my zone back then, you had to start the plants on or around July 10th, to get fresh brocolli in Feb-Mar).

          The trick is finding high value raw materials to deliver the proper N-P-K distribution in the soil.  Very time consuming to do it right.  And finally, TEST, TEST, TEST your soil to ensure you have it right.  And when you think you have it, then test it again.

          Democracy becomes a government of bullies tempered by editors. Ralph Waldo Emerson [So where have all the editors gone? rolling thunder]

          by rolling thunder on Tue Jan 27, 2009 at 11:21:26 PM PST

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    •  I used to eat pretty much 100% processed food (7+ / 0-)

      I made two changes in my dietary habits a couple of years ago:  I stopped buying frozen processed food that could only be microwaved (oven still OK), and I switched to organic produce.

      8 months later, I bought some Hormel pepperoni, which I used to occasionally binge on every now and then.

      I put the first slice in my mouth...and spat it right back out.  I realized at that moment what sheer crappy junk that processed Hormel "meat" was.

      The experience has repeated itself in lots of ways...a lot of stuff that had once tasted good to me, I found no longer tasted good at all.  It's been easy to give it up.

      You're quite right - not all processed/packaged food is bad.  But once you get your body cleansed of the processed stuff that is really and truly junk, your body starts telling you not to put that stuff back in ever again.

      As for organic - a Kossack here who does marine life diaries once posted an anecdote of feeding a tankful of marine animals (remoras or limpets, can't remember which) regular supermarket lettuce that he had washed under the kitchen sink.  He returned later to find everything dead or dying.  Now he feeds them organic lettuce.  Even washed, the regular lettuce had had too many pesticides.

      Now, human beings are bigger creatures and our bodies can tolerate more, 'tis true.  But still...why put that stuff in when you don't have to?

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