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  •  The survey is misstructured ... (17+ / 0-)

    How many people recognize that energy, environment, economy, global warming are all intertwined/interrelated?  And, after a few months of Obama's leadership, how many more will?

    •  i think both questions are important (6+ / 0-)

      in public polls, there is overwhelming support for proposition that global warming and eco issues must be addressed.

      However, when there is a ranking poll, like this, eco issues and global warming are at the bottom.

      I think that's why the public does not press for addressing eco issues.

      On the other hand, if public understands the interrelationship among econ, eco, health care, human rights, etc, then more likely to get sustainability solutions.

      "Water and air, the two essential fluids on which all life depends, have become global garbage cans." -- Jacques Cousteau

      by Patriot Daily News Clearinghouse on Tue Jan 27, 2009 at 09:46:57 PM PST

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      •  Population and food.... (0+ / 0-)

        are global problems that will have to be addressed in order to get beyond 'social conservatism.'

        Until the Republican party can be rendered utterly contemptible and 100% at fault for all of our current ills, we will not be able to get through to the asshole Republican America First purists in the sticks who call out for faith and dominionism and then scream "abortion is murder" and "war on Islam" and "Obama may be the antichrist."

        I want to see Boehner and McConnell publicly rend their garments, tear their hair out and openly repudiate the Republican Party - not stand up to Obama's stimulus plan with stunts like they pulled today. They are so full of shit, PDN. I don't know why it is taking so long. Here it is two-and-a-half months since the election, and Obama is still playing up to them for post-partisanship whatever the hell that means.

        "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -Thomas Jefferson

        by ezdidit on Wed Jan 28, 2009 at 05:06:25 AM PST

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        •  i agree that population and food are global (0+ / 0-)

          problems, but in terms of responsibility for "all of our current ills," dems share some of the blame for being complicit with bush and/or not taking a stand to stop some of these ills and/or not proposing legislation that really fixed these issues.

          "Water and air, the two essential fluids on which all life depends, have become global garbage cans." -- Jacques Cousteau

          by Patriot Daily News Clearinghouse on Wed Jan 28, 2009 at 09:11:25 AM PST

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    •  It's not that it's misstructured, (6+ / 0-)

      it's that it is virtually impossible to capture the relative importance placed on these issues in a linear survey.

      •  Absolutely right! (3+ / 0-)
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        Any survey which forces a rank ordering of items, many of which are interrelated, is hard to interpret, at best, and misleading, at worst.

        Not to say it's valueless, as the comments about redirecting public discussion say.

        "Certainly the game is rigged. Don't let that stop you; if you don't bet, you can't win." Lazurus Long

        by rfall on Tue Jan 27, 2009 at 10:08:01 PM PST

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        •  But the poll DOES NOT force a rank ... (3+ / 0-)
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          ...ordering. 85% of the respondents could have said the economy, the environment, global warming, crime, and Social Security were all top priorities. Or any other combination. This is not the same as asking respondent to rank the items from 1-20.

          Americans do not like to think of themselves as aggressors, but raw aggression is what took place in Iraq. - John Prados

          by Meteor Blades on Tue Jan 27, 2009 at 10:42:21 PM PST

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          •  Good point, although I can't tell from reading (0+ / 0-)

            ...the source article how the poll was phrased--did the respondents get to rank order as many of the 20 problems as they wanted?  If so, were they allowed to leave some of the 20 as unranked?  Or were they allowed to pick only five of the 20, without ranking them?

            Do you have a pointer to material that might clarify?

            Not that it's terribly important, and I stand corrected.

            "Certainly the game is rigged. Don't let that stop you; if you don't bet, you can't win." Lazurus Long

            by rfall on Tue Jan 27, 2009 at 10:46:57 PM PST

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            •  You can read the text ... (3+ / 0-)
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              bushondrugs, not a cent, rfall

              ...here. This is the question:

              I'd like to ask you some questions about priorities for President-elect Obama and Congress this year. As I read from a list, tell me if you think the item that I read should be a top priority, important but lower priority, not too important or should it not be done. (First,) should (INSERT ITEM; RANDOMIZE; OBSERVE FORM DIFFERENCES) be a top priority, important but lower priority, not too important, or should it not be done? What about... (INSERT ITEM)?)

              The environment has been included as a choice since 1997 on the list. Some other items have not, as you can see by scrolling.

              Americans do not like to think of themselves as aggressors, but raw aggression is what took place in Iraq. - John Prados

              by Meteor Blades on Tue Jan 27, 2009 at 10:57:41 PM PST

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          •  Point taken, but (1+ / 0-)
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            the point remains. Of all these issues, which would you rank as foremost? And is there an issue, or two, that you would not prioritize because you believe they are subsumed in other goals?

            It truly is a limitation of the method.

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