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  •  Not arguing against (1+ / 0-)
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    moving (ASAP) off coal/carbon use nor that there aren't real potentials for doing so. I'm not sure that, continuing with Ohio, moving money from the citizens of Ohio to those in Washington State due to differing carbon mix in the electricity system really helps us (the US) achieve the necessary changes.

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      approach. One problem with regional approaches is that the true problem (GHG) is global. This causes a misallignment of interests and a great potential for unintended consequences.

      As Bruce indicates, the correct solution for Ohioans, if the carbon cost gets too expensive, is to move to where the costs are lower. I don't believe that Ohio would stand by and allow that to happen without fighting to find better solutions that fit the local circumstance.

      If there are multiple costs for bad growth, places like Portland, OR, would become more expensive because the available living space is restricted. People couldn't afford to move there, so they will not. Those people will look for ways to avoid the higher costs of non-compliance back home and therefore bring their communities into compliance.

      If biomass is the strength of the SE and hydro is the strength of WA and OR, Solar is the strength of the SW, Wind is the strength of the plains and rockies areas, there will be an advantage that emerges in the midwest and NE. If not, people are better off moving. The migration pattern has started, what makes anyone think that they can or should stop it.

      Note that Iowa was struggling with depopulation when I lived there (1980s). Now Iowa is the most attractive place per capita for wind energy component manufacturing. This is a combo of the creativity of the people and the natural conditions. Whether this will be enough to offset the reasons for emigration remains to be seen, but it is a countertrend. If the dreams of some to create an electric rail system like in Europe, and to power that system with wind/biomass, then a cluster of activity will become a competitive strength. As energy prices rise, whether due to market or embedded carbon costs, locations that are prepared will gain.

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