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  •  why stop here. Go back to the mid 19th century (1+ / 0-)
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    when children of six years old worked in the woollen mills and men went through wives like a box of Kleenex as they died in droves in childbirth. Not to mention the yellowfever, the bubonic plage from the filth in the cities and children died regularly before three years old from whooping cough, smallpoix, tuberculosis and other diseases that are now routinely curable.

    It is always possible to find people worse off, however whether they accept it or not, on a global scale Americans have to travel far to find people better off.

    I don't know whether these poor poor pitiful me diaries are the result of just trying to feel better because we all know how impotent we are to change much of everything or whether they truly do presage another serious American retraction into isolationism.

    Just when i thought it was safe to come out of the water.

    •  I'm not sure what your point is. (22+ / 0-)

      I'm arguing on an issue of the day - what kind of scope is appropriate for the stimulus recovery package.  It's before the Senate this week.

      Nothing to do with poor poor pitiful me.  Something to do with some foreboding about where things are headed.  And specifically with the narrow frame this legislation is being subjected to by too many talking heads.

      These are some historical specifics I thought were germane to the topic.  My previous diary in this series, which I intend to continue, was about post office murals, from a program under the Treasury Department.  Another one will probably focus on the lodges in the National Parks (plus other public facilities, no doubt).  Great national treasures the New Deal gave us.

      I have no idea what your sourpuss point is.

      "The river always wins" - Mark Twain

      by Land of Enchantment on Mon Feb 02, 2009 at 07:51:07 AM PST

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      •  my sourpuss point is that part of the problem (1+ / 0-)
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        many people have with the concept of a 'stimulus' package is that they are viewing action in terms of an instant solution and not in historical terms wholistically,  and there are no previous models to go by.  It is human nature to return to the past when things were worse to see if we can apply any of the solutions to making things better in the present.  That is how i view the panorama of life anyway.

        From your inclusion of evocative images i was under the impression that was how you saw life as well. I was wrong. No problem.

        Plus, as a historian and a writer i tend to view things in interconnected ways rather than in isolation.

        I am am sorry if that offends you, however i don't see the necessity for you to call me pejorative names?  if you only want people to join in your dialogue who agree with you you need to place a disclaimer or directions on your diaries and comments. Cyberspace dialogue is not a linear highway, it divereges, just as the human brain does when one thought triggers another.

        •  A truce perhaps? (10+ / 0-)

          I took "poor poor pitiful me" as pejorative, and responded in kind.  

          Many things are different today, but there's much to be learned from the New Deal, too.  Not the least of which is just simply getting familiar with what it actually consisted of.  Since there's getting to be some persistent "the New Deal didn't work" arguments going on in the public square, it seems relevant.

          I'm educated in photography, with lots of emphasis on the use of historical photographs to elucidate our understanding of history.  (That's why names like Lewis Hine are long familiar to me.)  But I do incline towards some advocacy with the pictures, or perhaps you could call it the history of advocacy?

          "The river always wins" - Mark Twain

          by Land of Enchantment on Mon Feb 02, 2009 at 08:29:56 AM PST

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          •  I need to be more specific in cyberspace. (3+ / 0-)

            I should have written 'poor, poor, pitiful US', the collective WE, not the personal 'I' or 'You'. I also tend to look at history through music and always think of Linda Ronstadt if I use that provocative phrase.

            Another total non-sequitor, that's how my brain works, like a goldfish in a bowl, or maybe a mosquito in a jar.

            Talking about photography one of the best things to come out of the New Deal programs was the enormously creative WPA resulting in an incredible archive of history in photography and oral histories.  Would be nice if thet was a part of the stimulus package but i am sure republicans would object strenuously as being eltist to document the lives of the poor and disenfranchised.

        •  You're ahead of the curve at this moment -- (0+ / 0-)

          and those who are too far ahead of it always sound cranky.  

          Right now I don't care if they call it a stimulus or recovery bill and only care that nobody seems to be thinking this through any better than they did Saddam's WMD or the bailouts.  The DC gang are using the cafeteria model with no apparent interest in doing anything other than trying to restore us to a state of being full and fat, and oblivious to the fact that it was an unsustainable illusion.

          You hit it right with:

          ...they are viewing action in terms of an instant solution and not in historical terms wholistically,  and there are no previous models to go by.

          Might quibble with "no previous models" -- the models are there but they aren't the ready to wear type.  Too bad Obama doesn't have any brilliant and creative folks on his economic and foreign policy teams.    

          What FDR giveth; GWB taketh away.

          by Marie on Mon Feb 02, 2009 at 02:17:32 PM PST

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