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  •  Foolish? (none)
    Part of the problem here is that a lot of Democrats don't even support gays.

    Take a look at Chuck Schumer in NY.  The guy won like 70% of the vote last night and has the job as long as he wants it.  But even he won't support marriage in a state where it wouldn't be a problem.

    He says his "gut" tells him it's wrong.  What's he's really doing he helping Republicans get elected because they're saying, "hey, here's a liberal guy and he says the gay marriage is bad, so we need to vote for these amendments and support anti-gay candidates."

    Same thing with Obama; same thing with a lot of other "safe" Democrats.

    If they really supported gays, they could support marriage, help build support, and the issue would go away in a few years.  But instead the drag the issue out longer and longer by prominently being against it.

    Anyway, back to the part about gays voting for Republicans.  At least the GOP is upfront about not supporting gay rights.  The Democrats claim to favor them, but haven't passed ANY federal legislation over the past decade to make things better for gays.  The two things that did go through - on Clinton's watch, mind you - were the DOMA and don't ask, don't tell.  Two bad things.

    •  so your point is (none)
      you would rather go with the Republicans - because all of them truly despise gays.

      Stay away from Democratic party because they are supportive - but not perfect.

      Oh yes - that makes sense.

      ...Release the Hounds

      by sara seattle on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 11:33:20 PM PST

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      •  No.. (none)
        my point is that many gays support the GOP on other issues besides gay rights.

        So when the Dems refuse to step up to the plate and be supportive of gay rights, there's no reason to be surprised that gays will vote for Republicans.

    •  it's called realism (none)
      some of us still wan't to win elections, we don't need all at once

      "there's a conspiracy out there - open and admitted - that's trying to convince you that you'll be happier if you buy various products"

      by Joe B on Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 09:15:06 AM PST

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    •  Thanks for your (none)
      reply to my other post.

      I happen to agree with you. It's a combination of political cowardice and religious bigotry that combines toward Obama & Schumer taking those stands. You're right. However, if you're waiting for saints of openness, you're going to wait a long time. Jefferson wrote words asserting equality while owning slaves. Does that make him less important.

      We need to have that argument about tactics. I hope your point of view prevails. My point was that an activist jumped to a conclusion about ME ... an ally. That is what got us into this mess.

      Sorry this reply is so late ....

      ""All things entail rising and falling timing. You must be able to discern this." - Miyamoto Musashi

      by Madman in the marketplace on Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 12:51:10 PM PST

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