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    Agathena, KenBee

    In the waining days of the Bush administration, FERC pushed thru private leasing waters off of Nor.Cal without any studies or input by affected communities.  Remembering how FERC screwed over CA during the Enron fiasco, I need a whole lot more info before supporting this stuff off my coast.  Oh, did I mention the project is situated in prime commercial fishing waters?

    •  This would definately need input from the (0+ / 0-)

      public but we need to be careful about NIMBY rearing its ugly head too.

      When we talk about prime fishing waters, how much area are we talking about ?  200 sq miles maybe ?  more ?  A few square miles would be enough to power a large city.

      Government for the people, by the people

      by axel000 on Wed Feb 11, 2009 at 01:38:20 PM PST

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      •  the point of contention is (1+ / 0-)
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        that FERC came in with leases before anybody even knew about the project.  I mean the Interior Dept. didn't even know about it so they're sort of ticked off too.  It may be a perfectly fine project but the point is that it seemed to be a final fuck you from Cheney to people in this area that are pissed about him killing off so much of the Salmon in the first place.  Ok that wasn't exactly clear.  But the point is it's another stealth project by Bush's Enegy Dept with  no input from anyone much less an environment impact report.  And this is a community that's been showing on local access teevee the local hearings/teach-ins from the last time they tried to cram off shore drilling down our throats in the '80s.

      •  I live in Santa Barbara, you say NIMBY (1+ / 0-)
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        normally I'd reflexively say fu, but thanks too for the diary.
          The State Lands are littered with 150 years of failed energy projects, with the taxpayers paying for any cleanup. These projects were 'sold' with the samew snake oil used to sell these projects today, green, red , or blue.
            The Santa Barbara Channel is a showcase for this, the offshore oil platforms are the most obvious, and progress has even gone backwards recently with the State Lands Commission ruling against a progressive deal, I'd diary it soon if I can.
          There was just a huge amount of money (ultimately not the profit takers money) spent capping wells in the El Capitan field, some hand dug in the 1800's.

         Each one of these environments has it's own intrinsic values, and any impacts must be evaluated. Costs must be paid by the appropriate parties, profits as well.
         You say NIMBY right off you are not someone who has any credibilty with me, and you will have shifted the debate to something adversarial and conflict driven,,,we all suffer from that process.
         Hopefully we can make progress in these areas and work to a better future and leave these old ideas, old arguments, and old habits behind.
          Beautiful pictures too, thanks again.

        "Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read." - Marx

        by KenBee on Wed Feb 11, 2009 at 03:05:31 PM PST

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        •  My simple point was (1+ / 0-)
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          there are trade offs with everything and unlike most solutions this appears to be relatively painless in comparison.

          ESPECIALLY when you consider the impacts of just sticking with the status quo.

          So, no offense intended or taken for that matter, but we need to think bigger than the impact on the asthetics of our area alone.

          Government for the people, by the people

          by axel000 on Wed Feb 11, 2009 at 05:02:03 PM PST

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    •  Damn. Is there anything Bush hasn't (0+ / 0-)

      left dirty fingerprints on?

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