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  •  And another thing anaxiamander, (3+ / 0-)
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    I've noticed in your repeated pronouncements to 'take out' a particular threat to the goodness of mankind never takes into account the historical, political, economic, military and social factors of the environment.

    Moreover your knee-jerk policy prescriptions never seriously plan for any scenario beyond 'taking out' the immediate threat.

    Sounds familiar to a few situations we've created in the past?

    That's never a sound strategy and has gotten a lot of people, who aren't the bad guys, in a whole lot of trouble.

    DC - America's own little Green Zone. -Pescadero Bill

    by James Kresnik on Sat Feb 14, 2009 at 04:33:56 AM PST

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    •  Consequences of "taking out" (0+ / 0-)

      Weli, in the diary where I suggested taking out Hamas in Gaza, I explictly addressed and answered the issue od what should happen afterwards.

      In Zimbabwe, honestly, I do not know what would follow taking out Mugabe by means of tyrannicide. From my knowledge and impression, there is only the political opposition (which won the last election but was denied office by Mr. Mugabe) that opportunists could and would turn to. But even elements of a civil war for a limited period of time would, in my opinion, be better than more of the same.

      Enlightenment and Responsibility ... P.S.: In the Palestine conflict debate, "Justice" is nothing but a code word for "more dead people".

      by anaxiamander on Sat Feb 14, 2009 at 07:27:13 AM PST

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      •  This all comming from the same character (1+ / 0-)
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        who advocated outright genocide in Palenstine to 'take out' Hamas. How does your standard of 'human rights' level with your previous position in other areas?

        In Zimbabwe, honestly, I do not know what would follow taking out Mugabe by means of tyrannicide.

        So, you advocate a position that could have profound negative consequences for the people  to remove someone...you don't approve of. So, who would this effort and potential bloodshed be all for; the people on the ground? Hardly.

        But even elements of a civil war for a limited period of time would, in my opinion, be better than more of the same.

        How would you limit a civil war, in the first place? This reeks of the kind of and magical thinking and callous disregard for life that the necons frequently substitute for strategic planning.

        This 'strategy' reeks not only of impracticality and lazy thinking, but ample amounts of hubris informed by a mindset of a lynch mob.

        With your arbitrary standards and eagerness to use violence to deal with foreign disagreements - dammed the consequences for the people most affected by that application of violence - you are the very last person on earth to be lecturing Christopher Day on the justification of tyranny and brutality.

        DC - America's own little Green Zone. -Pescadero Bill

        by James Kresnik on Sat Feb 14, 2009 at 01:09:05 PM PST

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        •  People in Zimbabwe are suffering now (0+ / 0-)

          the consequences for the people most affected by that application of violence

          People in Zimbabwe are suffering right now. They are right now "affected by that application of violence" from Mr. Mugabes tyranny, the presumed "anti-imperialist" credentials of which are so ridiculously hailed by Mr. Day.

          I suggested a remedy. Mr. Day did not. I have to assume that human suffering in the name of "anti-imperialist revolution" is fine with him.

          And I did never "advocate genocide" in Palestine. I advocated operation Cast Lead for the common good of every man, woman and child in Palestine. To mitigate the suffering caused by the "anti-imperialist" theofascist tyranny of Hamas in Gaza, what Cast Lead successfully achieved.

          Enlightenment and Responsibility ... P.S.: In the Palestine conflict debate, "Justice" is nothing but a code word for "more dead people".

          by anaxiamander on Sat Feb 14, 2009 at 01:59:36 PM PST

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          •  Suffering, so are people in Palestine, (1+ / 0-)
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            in no small part to Israel's ongoing policy of disproportionate response to every perceived threat rather than engaging and neutralizing it systematically and politically. 'Cast Lead' is a short-term relief that is almost guaranteed to politicially strengthen the 'islamofacist' in Gaza and elsewhere.

            An honest review of warfare and international relations strongly suggests that a tactical solution to achieve a strategic aim will, more often than not, guarantee a resumption and escalation of conflict until, presumably, things get out of control.

            And, on reviewing the record, I will readily admit I was wrong on the genocide claims. What is clear is your advocacy of ethnic cleansing with Israel being the unilateral arbiter of such, and using a rather one-sided rationale to justify such actions.

            Either way, the point stands: removing Mugabe outside of Zimbabwe's internal politics will greatly increase the chance of destabilizing the region and causing a great deal more suffering than leaving him to be removed or shuffle off this mortal coil.

            By the way, how can an Islamic militant also be a fascist outside of contradictory contrivance? Newspeak designed for emotional shock effect isn't terribly useful outside of propaganda.

            DC - America's own little Green Zone. -Pescadero Bill

            by James Kresnik on Sat Feb 14, 2009 at 02:57:01 PM PST

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