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  •  vaitin is producing verifiable (2+ / 0-)
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    Valtin, thethinveil

    facts. You're pulling notions out of your ass and trying to use them to spin facts in Obama's favor.

    Given your contribution to the noise part of the signal to noise ratio around here, why wait a couple of months?

    You can be "outta here" right now and not be missed.

    Looking for intelligent energy policy alternatives? Try here.

    by alizard on Fri Feb 13, 2009 at 10:11:24 PM PST

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    •  Not cool to tell people to get the hell out (2+ / 0-)
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      blogpotato, FarWestGirl

      when they have something to discuss and are not trolling, IMHO.

      Just because you don't like it, doesn't make it valid to push people off the site.

      You can always debate and ignore.

      "So, please stay where you are. Don't move and don't panic. Don't take off your shoes! Jobs is on the way."

      by wader on Fri Feb 13, 2009 at 10:57:30 PM PST

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      •  meh (4+ / 0-)
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        wader, alizard, blogpotato, thethinveil

        Did that herself:

        If they're not, then you're just spreading paranoia and I'm outta here.

        Not cool to threaten to leave when you don't like what you hear. That is the equivalent of saying "there's something wrong with you people."

        My 2 cents. I'm tired of people saying this site is fucked up every time someone voices a criticism of Obama.

        •  I don't think this is about Obama (2+ / 0-)
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          but about people becoming polarized due to personality clashes, IMHO.

          I'm an original Obama supporter who found myself chastising and challenging fellow supporters during the nomination run for screeds against Clinton that were beyond the pale, so I realize it can get partisan here pretty quickly, sure.

          But, these spats don't need to get various sides to the point where people threaten in both directions to either leave from frustration or push people off due to mirrored frustrations.  I find the push off stance more onerous, from a community perspective - only because that seems to have more of a chance in leading towards mob behavior (which I'm not accusing anyone of in this subthread, btw).

          Your perspective on this kind of site issue has been rather consistent, but thanks for sharing your perspective in this particular context.  It keeps me thinking.

          "So, please stay where you are. Don't move and don't panic. Don't take off your shoes! Jobs is on the way."

          by wader on Fri Feb 13, 2009 at 11:14:28 PM PST

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          •  If some of the Obama supporters only listened to (3+ / 0-)
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            wader, alizard, kyril

            his own words - how people have a right to be heard and that the campaign was about us not him. That We can push for progressive steps to be made and we have a duty to do that as progressives.

            If this means pushing Pres Obama to make the right choices and more accurately pushing back the other people who are pushing Pres Obama to make reactionary choices then so be it.

            Was it any different under Pres Clinton?

            Clinton was left off the hook by many liberals on issues such as welfare reform and NAFTA and see where that landed us.

            "I can't read! I sign my name with an X! I once tried to make mashed potatoes with laundry detergent! I think I voted for Nader! NADER!" TJ

            by thethinveil on Sat Feb 14, 2009 at 12:07:27 AM PST

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      •  I think it's a responsibility (0+ / 0-)

        to call out bullshit when it's posted, and that a "My President Right or Wrong" guy is of no use whatsoever in a public policy discussion regardless of who the President is.

        Looking for intelligent energy policy alternatives? Try here.

        by alizard on Sat Feb 14, 2009 at 05:05:28 PM PST

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