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  •  Well, I see Obama's success as part of a populist (3+ / 0-)
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    movement in the democratic base, but I see many progressives defending the current status quo (i.e. free market supply side or the view that populism is bad)

    I think the reason we can not vanquish GOP insanity is because they play the populism card too, when we can do it better because it is at the core of progressive belief IMHO. I hope to create a dialouge where we can emphasize a positive populism that enriches individuals as well as diminish the influence faux populism has on the GOP base.

    F#@k this Congress and the limos they rode in on!

    by MinistryOfTruth on Sun Feb 22, 2009 at 10:32:06 AM PST

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    •  You are right here... (4+ / 0-)

      populism has no core ideology, it's just the will of the masses.  Either side can, and will, exploit populist rhetoric.

      Progressivism is clearly part of a liberal movement, not a conservative one.  This was the underlying cause of the split between Taft and Roosevelt.  Utlimately, the Democrats won the banner of Progressive reform and it's still squarely in their camp.

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      by David Kroning on Sun Feb 22, 2009 at 10:36:25 AM PST

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      •  So how do we advance Progressive issues within a (4+ / 0-)

        populist movement that benefits all involved.

        I see it like this.

        "Everyone does better when everyone does better."

        But our concept of progress is skewed. We do not progress when everyone has a job, we progress when everyone has a good job. Etc.

        Add some more at your leisure.

        F#@k this Congress and the limos they rode in on!

        by MinistryOfTruth on Sun Feb 22, 2009 at 10:39:15 AM PST

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        •  By and large, the popular media... (2+ / 0-)
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          controls the discourse in a populist movement.  That's why there is more interest in Lou Dobbs' and his xenophobic, blame-the-immigrants rhetoric than calls for universal health care.

          The media is almost entirely to blame for the way Americans think about these issues and I don't know how that can be fixed.

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          by David Kroning on Sun Feb 22, 2009 at 10:43:09 AM PST

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          •  mass protest/strike/boycott etc. MSM = propaganda (2+ / 0-)
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            but that is a whole other diary.

            What else can be done by the current Dem. party? What can we do?

            I say we become active in a peaceful way as community organizers/activists. But that is just one part of the process.

            I am searching for ideas. Maybe you have some to share?

            F#@k this Congress and the limos they rode in on!

            by MinistryOfTruth on Sun Feb 22, 2009 at 10:48:52 AM PST

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            •  One of the best things we can do... (2+ / 0-)
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              is continue to destroy the right-wing memes every time we hear them.  

              Other than that, based on how divided this community is over things as the stimulus and home-owner bailouts, I don't see that we're going to be able to speak with a united voice any time soon.

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              by David Kroning on Sun Feb 22, 2009 at 11:00:53 AM PST

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