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  •  Not just Congress...we whould start at the local.. (4.00)
    level testing out a new message(language really) that beats the republicans on values and we should start today. Are there local races which we can try to win in red/pruple states before 2006? If so, we should test out our rhetoric at the local level. Even if we can't take back congress, we have to make it a goal to take back state houses and recruit new faces and blood for our party.
    •  Right on! (none)
      Right now 2006 is too far away for me.  Are there any local seats that we can snag in 2005?  I'm looking for county commissioner seats, anything.  I honestly have no idea if all elections happen in even numbered years (this is my first season of being politically active, so forgive my ignorance).  If we've got to wait until 2006, so be it.  But I would prefer to start earlier.

      Someone tell me where to send money!!

      Bush/Cheney - in your guts, you know they're nuts.

      by Lufah on Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 11:31:02 AM PST

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    •  Yes (none)
      Virginia and Kentucky in 2005.

      And yes, we will be involved.

    •  exactly (none)
      Get local

      Start by unionizing Wal-Mart.

      •  Need a model? (none)
        It's happening in Quebec and Ontario.
        •  yup (none)
          And they're trying again in British Columbia
        •  Maybe you could right a diary on the subject (none)
          •  oops...write...I can't think at all today so sorry (none)
          •  maybe (none)
            Let me finish my master's thesis first.

            We need to start directing our efforts (or adding to our efforts) to the SEIU. This is the future of our party and the future of the progressive movement. Wal-Mart is the best symbolic battle to tackle first.

            I remember when they tried to unionize at K-Mart and everyone got fired. This will be a long hard slog, (remember how long it took to unionize auto-workers), but the payoffs will yield generations of progressive rule.

            •  yes (none)
              unions will be central to the revitalization of the left.  they fight for the people.  they have their warts, but they have done an enormous amount of good.  i worked for the SEIU for the last month and i was impressed with their staff more than any other group working on the election.  they are dedicated, devoted and will not give up.
              •  yes (none)
                I agree. We start with wal-mart, k-mart, dollar general and slowly progress to starbucks, rose, piggly-wiggly and kaufmans..then on to.........What the f%*k are you all talking about! Unions, are ya freakin kidding me!!!!!!

                Every been a union member!!!!!!????????? How the hell does that help Dem's get in office......by dumbing down the population and letting bosses speak for the masses? I thought that was purely a Republican stratgey!!!!

                •  well (none)
                  Well they're pretty much responsible for the rise of the middle class in the mid 20th century. Do you realize what this country was like in the late 19th century before unions had any sort of power?

                  So you think the people at Wal-Mart that voted against their interests and voted for Bush on "Moral Values" haven't been dumbed down? Look at Europe and Britain or even Canada; union membership is 2 to 3 times as high as it is here. Do you think their populations with their cooky ideas of universal health care, free education, and protection of the environment are dumbed down?

                  The government isn't going to help wage-slaves at WalMart or Starbucks. Especially not now. Mass social movements begin from the bottom-up, not top-down and the best way I see to truly form a new progressive majority is to organize low wage service workers so they get a taste of the middle class and maybe finally see who's side the repubs are on.

      •  This is precisely how Republicans did it... (none)
        Started out in the towns and villages, with the local sheriffs, district court benches, low-level legislators.  

        And this is also how they were able to frame the values debate..."government" cannot distribute values at the national level.  These are driven by and couched in friends, neighbors, and everyday interaction with them.

        So let's get our own machine going...join your local Democratic group and let's master this uphill climb.

        It is from numberless diverse acts of courage and belief that human history is shaped. - Robert F. Kennedy

        by rygriffin333 on Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 11:46:53 AM PST

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        •  True but republicans had a national structure (none)
          that supported it. For example, they had think tanks that took people and trained them. They contexted every racr and gave candidates for office the support hey needed. As far as I am concerned dems have focused too much on national races when we lose restricting battles at the local level.
          •  So let's build one. (none)
            If the DNC employs a STRATEGIST as its new chair instead of a fund-raiser, such a structure can be created.

            But in lieu of that, I do feel very strongly about local Dem orgs.  Find yours, join it.  If you need to, lead it.  I think it's clear that our party needs a new generation of leaders and legislators anyway, and I think that is the very best thing that can come out of this election

            Rome wasn't built in a day...but I, for one, plan to participate fully in its construction.

            It is from numberless diverse acts of courage and belief that human history is shaped. - Robert F. Kennedy

            by rygriffin333 on Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 11:58:38 AM PST

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          •  yes but (none)
            they didn't always have it.  The Republicans in the 1960s were where we are today.  Despondent, disillusioned and desperate.

            Goldwater was looked on as a freak by many Americans, just as Dean is today.  However, Goldwater took the true believers of his time (isn't that what they were called?) and motivated them.

            Even though Goldwater didn't move to higher office, he became the John to Nixon's antichrist (sorry for the analogy).  Dean has the potential to do just that as well.

            "Nothing carries the spirit of this American idealism more effectively to the far corners of the earth than the American Peace Corps." - John F. Kennedy

            by Khun David on Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 02:03:12 PM PST

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      •  Or kill Walmart. Shop Target, Costco (none)
        n/t
        •  organize (none)
          They're all the same. It's not about boycotting one huge corporation over another.

          It's about unionizing all wage-slaves.

          I picked Wal-Mart, because it's a huge target that has an image problem (you've probably heard their ads on NPR). And the fact that they are so miserly with health care will resonate with americans.

          Look, David Broder wrote an article about a month ago about what was the biggest change in American politics since he's covered it (since the middle 60s). He said the decline of organized labor, hands-down. Back in the 70s when big labor still had power, politicians (even repubs) listened to organized labor and they pushed for progressive policies because they had power.

          When de-industrialization hit, and companies started manufactoring crap in other countries, labor took a dive and so did the democrats.

          Well now it's time to ramp up the labor movement again. You can't outsource a sales associate or a janitor to China, unless you decide to locate the store in China, so these shitty jobs are here to stay. So by organizing these people we can make these jobs not so shitty, and we will re-create a huge new block of blue-collar progressive stalwarts.

          Unionize Wal-Mart.

    •  No-- School Boards (none)
      Everyone who can needs to think about your local school boards.  That's where it starts.  Especially if the r-ight will be pushing creationism.
    •  Municipal Elections (none)
      Those should be good opportunities to focus on registering and turning out urban voters.

      Also, in addition to Virginia and Kentucky, aren't New Jersey and Lousiana having legislative/executive elections next year?

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