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  •  Let's try a hypothetical. (2+ / 0-)
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    ILean Left, MaikeH

    Let's say that it's back in 2001/2002, and it's time for the Patriot Act.  Now, let's say the vote was a lot closer than it was for passage...say, you needed 50 on that one plus the vote of the VP (needed 60 on this one not for cloture, but for budget rules), and there were exactly 50 Republican senators who supported it (thereby invoking the tie-breaker vote).

    Let's say, furthermore, that a Republican senator experienced what Sherrod Brown had to go through.  Would you have supported any of the Democratic senators voting for the Patriot Act, regardless of how they felt about it, so that the Republican would not have to come back and vote for the bill?  I mean, according to the diarist, you know it's going to pass, so why fight it?  It's a very important vote, with many contentious issues to it.  Would you have supported a Democrat doing that?  And, if not, why not?

    It's the same logic.  If you don't want it to happen, then you should pressure the Senate to amend their rules on proxy voting in special cases.  But no senator or representative of the people should ever have to change their vote, and go against their convictions, for any reason.  I wouldn't expect or want a Democrat to go against their convictions, and I wouldn't want a Republican to either.

    Conservative since 1992. Open-minded since birth.

    by ShowMe on Wed Feb 18, 2009 at 04:56:30 PM PST

    •  But reportedly there were Republicans (0+ / 0-)

      who wanted to vote for the bill, but felt they could not for political reasons.  If so, they weren't voting their conscience as it is.  I don't see much principled opposition from the Republicans right now.  Instead, I see a lot of partisan posturing, mostly hoping that things will go badly and that they can pin the blame on Obama.

      There is also a history in the Senate of courtesy voting agreements.  I get the point of your hypothetical, but this does not strike me as a truly parallel situation.

      Civil marriage is a civil right.

      by UU VIEW on Wed Feb 18, 2009 at 11:34:03 PM PST

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