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  •  can't even count how many books (3+ / 0-)
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    i still haven't read after purchasing... and then it became magazines....  of course, this is all pre crash...

    "Imagine better than the best you know." Neville Goddard.

    by boatsie on Thu Mar 05, 2009 at 07:07:33 PM PST

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    •  I wasn't sure which reply I'd respond to (3+ / 0-)
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      but I'm almost ashamed to say, I haven't read a book in years.  I'm a hundred or so pages into "Shock Doctrine" but it's a bathroom book at this juncture.

      Of the several possible points of departure, I'm going to digress from one (and I need to actually go read the "eight phases of learning") that relates to the skillset I've developed in research but that comes from training in biology and my general 'philosophy of learning.'  All of which are unschooled by formal training on learning processes.

      It's sort of the complement to the ideas you've covered, how I imagine evolution has designed organisms from the single-celled variety on up to recognize and use biologically meaningful information.  

      Particularly coming from my trained research background where I spent alot of time looking for patterns in repeated units of data (DNA and protein subunit sequences) for information (the data sequences that are conserved or repeated from one species to another and so presumably of importance to the function of the molecule), I spent a bit of time pondering what contributes to good 'pattern recognition' ability.

      I think we're designed to have recall regarding events that are meaningful and to not waste storage on noise.  Something that's not repeated is something that's not likely to be encountered again and so we don't remember noisy things.  

      From food molecules to predators, if we've seen it once and it tastes good or might eat us, we're likely to store it.  

      Repetition is part of the process that goes to make something 'significant', I guess that is how I'm thinking that we process material in learning.  

      I imagine higher-animal learning to have evolved from understanding events either as unimportant noise or maybe encountered again in the future and useful signal.  I think one-time events (such as some twitters, perhaps) are encounters between our senses, be they the chemical receptors for particular molecules in the environment or audible events "What is that sound?  It's | wind | a saber-toothed tiger".

      It makes sense that my grades (way back when) reflected little learning until discipline taught me that it's at least a second read of material in advance of the test that signalled to my biological processor unit, "hey, this is important, remember it!"

      This little exercise just suggested to me that Greenfield's got something there!

      Thanks for the topic, it was a nice spark in an area I've not considered lately.

      adapting the world to himself...all progress depends on the unreasonable man
      -GB Shaw

      by luaptifer on Thu Mar 05, 2009 at 07:53:42 PM PST

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      •  wow! and thank you... (1+ / 0-)
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        i just checked back ... it is late... this sort of stuff is so fascinating to me ... evolution, learning, stored memories, retrieval ...

        your comment reminds me of research i did a ways back for my masters

        strategy for communicating works for the cassowary because the low-frequency of its vibrations enable it to remain incognito to prey accustomed to operating in the worlds of sounds and images. Not only that, but low-frequency communications travel farther, so cassowaries regularly chat long distance.

        In another study relating to animal communications, a Stanford scientist discovered that elephants use foot stomping to communicate with each other over distances as far away as 20 miles. In 2002, Caitlin O'Connell-Rodwell, a Stanford biologist, traveled to Namibia, Africa, to investigate her theory that elephants communicate via an outflow of low-frequency seismic vibrations. They signal to one another when they are in danger, seeking a mate, or passing on information about food and water.

        Apparently, the human brain has adapted over time, converting the space once used for sensing vibration to use by the more immediately powerful senses of sight and sound. Yet O'Connell-Rodwell notes that "traditional instruments such as the didgeridoo of Australia, talking drums of West Africa, and the stomping dances of Native Americans all produce signals that have the potential to be carried through the ground over long

        "Imagine better than the best you know." Neville Goddard.

        by boatsie on Thu Mar 05, 2009 at 11:58:54 PM PST

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      •  shit, you could have read a whole chapter of (0+ / 0-)

        the Shock Doctrine during the time it took you to post that scholarly comment.  ;-)

        I actually waded through the SD myself, and it took a while.  Part of my interest was having lived as a youth in some of the South American countries during the times she was talking about.  My God, if I had only known then what I know now.  It burdens the soul.

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