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  •  CANADA Military says it is UN-WINABLE... (2+ / 0-)
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    Silverbird, mosesfreeman

    has been since the beginning... history bites.

    Afghanistan victory unlikely, says DND manual

    http://www.nationalpost.com/...

    "It is unlikely that the conflict will be suddenly ended with a major military victory against the insurgents, who will rarely offer the opportunity for decisive military engagement and are typically organized into small clandestine cells," the document says...

    ...Western nations have, in recent months, expressed growing concerns that the Afghan war is one that cannot be won, although Peter Mac-Kay, the Minister of National Defence, rejected such suggestions before a Commons committee this month...

    ..."The situation in Iraq was going to hell in a handbasket, and there was a recognition that the United States forces were too conventionally oriented,"

    ...."Military forces do not defeat insurgencies; instead they create the security conditions necessary for the political resolution of the conflict," it says.


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    A common pitfall, it explains, imposing one's own values on others

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    "Such an assumption and situation risks creating or exacerbating the perception that foreigners are trying to impose values and beliefs at odds with those of the indigenous population."...

    ...It also cautions against demonizing or delegitimizing one's foes as thugs, a time-honoured mistake made by former U. S. secretary of defense Donald Rumsfeld and others.

    "The classification or dismissal of a nascent insurgency as a criminal or some other movement will only fuel the insurgency through inappropriate responses," it warns...

    •  You are astonishingly stupid. (1+ / 0-)
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      Something the Dog Said

      You're perfectly entitled to the opinion that the war in Afghanistan is "UN-WINABLE..." but the only article you cite comes to almost exactly the opposite conclusion.  

      "It is unlikely that the conflict will be suddenly ended with a major military victory against the insurgents, who will rarely offer the opportunity for decisive military engagement and are typically organized into small clandestine cells," the document says.

      This should not be construed as the language of defeat, cautioned Bruce Hoffman, a leading expert in counterinsurgency who teaches at Georgetown University. He said it is a way of mitigating expectations, which is typical of these manuals.

      There is nothing in the article that suggests the Canadian military is saying the war is un-winnable, or is even being defeatist.  It's simply, and sensibly managing expectations about the limits of what counterinsurgency can achieve.  

      Please learn to read.  If you want to spam comment threads with some GOOD articles that argue that the war in Afghanistan is unwinnable, Nir Rosen and Gaith Abdul Ahad are here to help.  

      •  RUDE... is your way of trying to (2+ / 0-)
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        Silverbird, mosesfreeman

        stop the conversation...

        The British and many others tried to "win" for many, many years - they finally left, as we will.

        Get your own clue and learn to converse.

        We can't solve our problems, as Einstein said, at the level of thinking at which we created them.

        •  I'm trying to help you JOIN the conversation (0+ / 0-)

          Which is why I linked to good articles that suggest the war in afghanistan is unwinnable.  You're the one who's being rude.  I said earlier in this comment thread, which you clearly haven't read any of, that I admired the thoughtfulness of the commenters who help the opposite view from mine because they were respectful and gave some thought to their posts.  And I think that holds true, except for you.  You spammed our thread by ignoring all other commenters, purposefully misrepresenting an article as your argument's only evidence, not writing anything of your own (which means you're NOT part of the conversation), and painfully neglecting spelling and using ALL-CAPs.  It's obnoxious and rude.  I'm being civil by telling you your post (as opposed to your opinion) was stupid because it was on every level.  That's the only fair reading.  We had a wonderfully civil back-and-forth in this comment thread between people of diamentrically opposed views, and your post was the only real blemish on it.  If you want to actually converse, as opposed to block quoting articles you're misrepresenting, I'll be happy to join you.  

          •  Like I said.. (0+ / 0-)

            Conversations do not have to include putdowns....  Feel better talking down to a stranger online yet?
            Look in the mirror.

            Diverting, name calling of factual information in an article from a foreign country in which their MILITARY MANUAL states the approach needs to change?  What payroll are you on?

            Like the Brits, and every other nation that has tried... we will eventually leave.

            It IS UN-WINNABLE when an occupying force trys to take over a popluation and it's resources - time for change.

            The real purposes of a democratic society cannot be achieved by violence and destruction. ~George Kennan.

            •  Tell that to the Sioux. n/t (0+ / 0-)

              "I Think We're All Bozos on This Bus" Firesign Theatre 1971

              by LeftOfYou on Wed Feb 25, 2009 at 12:07:30 PM PST

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              •  My cousin and his family ARE Sioux... (0+ / 0-)

                His wife actually works and flys to Washington, DC to petition Congress about their cause.  My cousin also works to help them with economic & other issues thru their local community college in the mid-West.

                I read "A History of the US" by Howard Zinn too.

                Do you think you are the only "smart-arse" around?

                Give.it.up.
                Sheese.

                "Whatever you do to the least of my people, you do to me." J

              •  I DO like your sig line... (0+ / 0-)

                Saw Firesign quite a bit in the LA area in the 60's - most recently about 5 years ago.

                "Everything you know is wrong"

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