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  •  It's not Navajo or Hopi, (9+ / 0-)

    it's traditional and non traditional. The traditionals on both sides had no conflict.

    She nourishes us; that which we put into the ground she returns to us. Big Thunder

    by Winter Rabbit on Sun Mar 01, 2009 at 06:33:25 PM PST

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    •  Just sadly not true... (4+ / 0-)
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      Caj, johnnygunn, capelza, 2ajpuu

      I know you think you understand what is going on there. But I know that my step-father worked on this issue for over a year, I think traveled there twice, and you dont get more dedicated to social justice than our family. Between he and my mom and I we founded eleven activist groups, helped lead the Sanctuary Movement, owned the activist/peace and social justice store for several years, started a free clinic for migrant farmworkers, helped start an orphanage in Zambia, produced most of the leftist folk music concerts in town, and so on.
      Now, if upon thorough examination my step-father says this is complicated and there is no side that is right and the solution is not one he can guess at...then trust me you dont have a clue if you think you know what is going on and can explain it so readily.

    •  This is right (4+ / 0-)

      Navajos and Hopis up there traditionally got along, intermarried, traded, and smoked mountain tobacco together.  The turf war meme was all Peabody & Co.

      The world is calling for justice.

      by jcrit on Sun Mar 01, 2009 at 06:52:11 PM PST

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      •  Navajo and Apache (3+ / 0-)
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        Both use the term "Dineh" to describe themselves. It means "The people". They are Athabascan language group speakers. The phrase roughly "Apache Navajo" in Hopi means "The enemies of the fields". While the Apache were pretty much raiders, the Navajo, after they discovered the horse and the sheep, settled a bit. Their invasion was a little after The Spanish and the surrounding people still remember them. There was a Mountain Ute in the 1950's, when I was a boy around there, called "Navajo Joe" because he ambushed and killed Navajo shepherds. A member of his tribe was in the Senate from Colorado. Ben Nighthorse Campbell.

        "If I pay a man enough money to buy my car, he'll buy my car." Henry Ford

        by johnmorris on Sun Mar 01, 2009 at 08:17:44 PM PST

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        •  Divisions like this (4+ / 0-)
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          make it so much easier for someone else, say Peabody Coal, to come in and push their own interests over and above the common interests of all the Native Americans in the area.

          It's sad; I wish I had the time and money to go help out. Oh yeah, and fucking over the coal companies wouldn't be too bad either.

          •  Yes, but (1+ / 0-)
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            I think is point is that those divisions were not created by Peabody.  The divisions certainly are exploited, but the Navajo migration to Hopi aboriginal lands was around the 1700s, and their tribal dispute is old enough that you see it in the very names we use for them.

    •  No - (0+ / 0-)

      Your statement reminds me of what I heard in the segregated South about Jim Crow - that everything was just fine.  You can always find a few people among an oppressed minority who will dance to the piper's tune - for money, for fame, whatever.   Today, the persons I suspect you reference are few and far between and are NOT traditionals in any sense of that word according to Hopi culture.  Rather, they are outsiders with minimal or attenuated links to Hopiland.

      The Hopi I know avoid the traditional/progressive dichotomy and claim it has no usage except among a small group of primarily Hotevillans led by Thomas Banyacya.  For the most part, the terms are stereotypical labels used by white Americans that do not correspond to native experience.

      Banyacya was an extraordinary man; however, his message has been coopted by so many wannabes that it is difficult to know what part is Banyacya and what part is New Age.  Banyacya wouldn't be the only person this has happened to.  Mercedes-Benz bought the rights to Janis Joplin's great song and used it to sell cars.

    •  The enemy of the coal companies (2+ / 0-)
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      is my friend.

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