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  •  Good Goddess, this is turning into an I/P diary! (2+ / 0-)
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    capelza, Tyto Alba

    Everybody chill out!

    The only thing that helps me maintain my slender grip on reality is the friendship I share with my collection of singing potatoes. -5.75, -7.18

    by Rogneid on Sun Mar 01, 2009 at 08:07:44 PM PST

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    •  Actually - (1+ / 0-)
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      The situation is rather similar.

      The Navajo are greater assets, a much larger population, and have greater assimilation into American culture and its levers of power.  The land base of the Hopi people has been eroded for much of the past 500 years.

      What is especially disturbing is that this diary portrays the Hopi as aggressors when the Hopi are one of the most pacifist of native peoples.  In addition, the diarist suggests that the leaders of the Hopi are illegitimate - - sound familiar?

      This conflict is old and complex - but to paint as as genocide by the federal government and Peabody with their duped Hopi agents is vulgar in the extreme.

      •  That was exactly the point I was making (3+ / 0-)
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        What is especially disturbing is that this diary portrays the Hopi as aggressors when the Hopi are one of the most pacifist of native peoples.

        The traditional people were the peaceful people in this case.  The US government worked hard, through the US-created Navajo AND Hopi tribal councils, which are based on OUR form of government, not theirs, to turn Indian against Indian, and it is precisely because the traditional people were peaceful people that they haven't had a chance against the overwhelming aggression of the US government, and their own people turning against them.

        At his point in history, when our own system of government has produced the current disasters taking place wherever you look.  Be it biodiversity, the oceans, mountain-top removals for coal, wars spreading like wildfires across the planet at a rapid rate, species decimations, global warming, and on and on.  My life is dedicated to help restore mother earth to what it was, and what it can be.

        That includes working for preserving and restoring all of the above, including the ever-diminishing number of people who still have some knowledge left on how to go about it.

        Tall order, of course.  I'm trying to swim up a waterfall as big as Niagra falls.  But you know, it's work I need to do.  I have only a few years left, and I'll die by this - gladly.

        WE NEED TO PRESERVE WHAT THERE IS LEFT.  WE NEED TO DO IT NOW.  AND THEN WE NEED TO BEGIN RESTORATIONS.  AND WE'LL NEED ALL THE HELP WE CAN GET FROM THOSE WHO STILL HAVE TRUE KNOWLEDGE OF HOW THINGS WORK.

        Sorry, I don't usually shout, but on rare occasions I will.

        A very big shift in our mentality is needed at this time to save us, and it's not the mentality that brought us here in the first place.

        When you argue that Indian people should accept the majority view, you are denying the keepers of their tribes' traditions from preserving them.  Those traditions worked for milleniums.  We let them die, and we sign our pact with our own demise, based on ignorance.

      •  Message from Thomas Banyacya here: (6+ / 0-)

        Might want to check this out:

        Even Hopi elder Thomas Banyacya does not let himself be steered off course by the Navajo-Hopi Land Dispute. Although his own tribal council is entangled in the coalition of profiteers, he can make out the real authorities and the cultural driving force of the conflict: "The Great Spirit made us the administrators of this land. This is what our prayers and ceremonies are concerned with. You, on the other hand, are poisoning and raping and destroying the land with your coal mining, the uranium extraction and the power plants -- all on holy land! And you are trying to chase off the last few Indians so that nothing will stand in the way of this dirty business... There is no Hopi-Navajo land dispute. There is only the boundless greed of the white man. We, the traditional, do not recognize the Hopi and Navajo tribal councils established by your government as puppets so that you can sign over your land. And only because the energy companies want the coal and especially the uranium to make nuclear weapons. The white man is the one who must go."

      •  You're making the comparison with (2+ / 0-)
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        the involved tribes, and not the U.S. Government with Peabody against them? False Analogy.

        She nourishes us; that which we put into the ground she returns to us. Big Thunder

        by Winter Rabbit on Sun Mar 01, 2009 at 09:58:20 PM PST

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      •  If you read the entire quote (3+ / 0-)
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        I gave you and 2 others, the Hopi are not the aggressors. The Assimilated Hopi were deceived by Peabody's Lawyer, and Assimilated tribal members often take on the attitudes and actions of the assimilators. They were used.

        She nourishes us; that which we put into the ground she returns to us. Big Thunder

        by Winter Rabbit on Sun Mar 01, 2009 at 10:26:27 PM PST

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        •  Assimilated? (3+ / 0-)
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          I take it you know personally the Hopis involved in this?  You have spoken to current tribal officials?  You have asked them why they patrol the Hopi Partition Land?  You have asked them and the general Hopi public how they feel about Navajos and whites occupying all of the traditional Hopi homelands?

          When you dump all of this on the Peabody and the Feds, which has inserted themselves into the struggles of Hopi and Navajo, then you have not bothered to really ask the Hopi people how they see this.

          You act like the Hopi are children and you know what is best.  You are so one-sided in your attitude I don't see how you speak on this matter.

          •  I'm on the side of the earth mother. (0+ / 0-)

            The traditionals on both sides wanted to preserve their sacred land; hence, I'm on their side. Furthermore, this was from a U.N. investigation. I guess the U.N. and the author of the video below is just one sided too, who were there at the time. If there were the traditionals, then who were the non traditionals?

            "Three members from the Hopi Tribe arrived to give their testimonies as show support for their neighbors, The Dine. Their presence disspelled the public relations myth that the traditional Hopi and the Dine are involved in a Range War."

            There are assimilated American Indians.

            http://www.dailykos.com/...

            Indigenous People have been assimilated into Christianity and it is no easy subject, for it requires considering a judgment be made that is uncomfortable. A general clarification as well as an example will be given with my opinion before proceeding to McCain’s part in this forced relocation, because the "several First Mesa Hopi who had been converted to Mormonism" needs at least some general clarification before proceeding. Indigenous People in cases like this who have been assimilated into Christianity have also adapted the behaviors of their assimilators. For example, I heard an elder speak of how once they entered Boarding School as an adolescent, the ones who had been assimilated mocked them for speaking the language. How many people’s history has been lost because similar things happened in their own families and now it’s too late to retrieve? Indigenous People who have been assimilated into Christianity have every right to believe as they wish. However, abandoning the fact that in their ancestral lands lie the flesh of their ancestors which is the Earth Mother, they may see no problem fighting their relatives who hold that land sacred. So my uncomfortable judgment is, their replaced beliefs give them no right to act as predators...

            Larry  EchoHawk

            It seemed to me that the Book of Mormon was about my Pawnee Indian ancestors. The Book of Mormon talks about a people (the Lamanites) who would be scattered, smitten, and nearly destroyed. But in the end they would be blessed if they followed the Savior.
            That is exactly what I saw in my own family history. When I read the Book of Mormon, it gave me very positive feelings about who I was, what Heavenly Father had for me to accomplish in life, and how I could be an instrument in his hands in serving the needs of other people.

            Source
            God was preparing the way for 2007 when He sent me in November to preach revival at the Body of Christ Church in California. We saw miracles manifest right before our eyes and He orchestrated a powerful reconciliation between the Native people and a direct descendant of the Spanish Nobles that invaded the West Coast. It was such an amazing thing to witness because you could see the healing and restoration began immediately.

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            ...the Lord gave me a special word concerning it. He told me that the Mississippi River had been the dividing line between the tribes in the East, and the tribes in the West and that He was going to heal them. It was a powerful time and God is revealing more and more pieces of the puzzle each day as He connects each of us along His Ancient Paths. I have recently been invited to minister there with Myles Munroe and Kenneth Copeland.

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            "The focal point of my book is an appeal to the Christian audience to turn away from Native Spirituality and its demonic influences; I also want to equip them with the knowledge of how to deal with those in bondage to Native Spirituality."

            In recent years, Des Gerlaise has noticed the trend of Native Spirituality slowly seeping into the public school systems under the guise of multiculturalism. She finds Christian's acceptance of Native Spirituality even more disturbing.

            "My book exposes the current awakening and popularity of occult concepts and techniques in our culture. It's happening in many churches through the 'Emergent Church' movement. This new spirituality is the age-old evil of the occult just dressed up in another garb."

            http://wildhunt.org/...

            Furthermore, the use of religion to convert and steal land has taken on new dimensions.

            http://74.125.95.132/...

            Use of Reconciliation Events

            Glazier is on the board of the International Reconciliation Coalition founded by John
            Dawson, International President of YWAM (Youth With a Mission). The reconciliation
            approach, including reconciliation walks, has been used to gain access to Native American groups in the U.S and Canada, and also to African Americans, Amish, Turkish Muslims, and other groups around the world. Link to "Palin and the Apostles" for an account of New Apostolics in a prophetic ceremony representing the shielding of Native Alaskans from interference from other churches and social services.

            Reconciliation is designed to remove the generational curses and other demons which are
            preventing the target group from being open to evangelization. For instance, a reconciliation walk in Turkey in 1999 was advertised as apologizing for the Crusades to the Muslim population. However, following the reconciliation walk, the New Apostolics embarked on an aggressive proselytizing campaign which included a ceremony in the Ephesus amphitheater. Organized by Ted Haggard and others and with participation of groups from Korea, they chanted Jesus is Lord for four hours in the amphitheater.

            How quickly we forget.

            Consolidated Indigenous Shadow Report p.66

            Native children were generally not allowed to speak their Native languages or practice their spiritual traditions. As a result, many Native peoples can no longer speak their native languages...the U.S. has grossly underfunded language revitalization programs.

            Seriously, you really don't have issue with the forced relocation of 12,000 Navajo and Hopi?

            http://www.dailykos.com/...
            APARTHEID IN ARIZONA

            ...Jets fly low over the area on an almost daily basis, livestock is impounded by the Bureau of Indian Affairs on the pretense that resisters are "overgrazing" the land, and, due to the special Bennet Freeze clause of P.L.93-531 (which foresaw the possibility of a resistance) Dine people living on what is now Hopi Partitioned Land cannot legally upgrade their housing (i.e. repair a hole in their roof during the winter) without facing the threat of arrest because they no longer legally own the property their families have lived on for centuries. This type of regular harassment has been described as "low intensity psychological warfare" and it has become commonplace against families resisting relocation at Big Mountain.

            These families continue to hope that public outcry will become so loud that Congress will no longer be able to ignore the damage which is done every day to people affected by relocation policies. In order to truly respect Native American self-determination, Congress must submit a full repeal of P.L.93-531 and use the money allocated for "relocation benefits" to repair the damage done to those people who have already been relocated (many of whom have yet to receive alternative housing). And while Congress remains reluctant to repeal...

            Let's cut through it.

            Do you agree with this or not?

            And after he repeals the Relocation Act, he should sign the Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples, to help ensure that it never happens again.

            She nourishes us; that which we put into the ground she returns to us. Big Thunder

            by Winter Rabbit on Mon Mar 02, 2009 at 04:15:53 PM PST

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