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  •  Hell, we don't teach kids civics (4.00)
    anymore.  That's a lot of the problem right there.
    •  well (4.00)
      if you want to catch me sounding like a conservative's not that (or not just that) we don't teach civics in the schools (I never had a civics class, read and promptly forgot all the Federalist papers and the constitution)--it's that these lessons aren't coming through as a society. It's not coming from parents, it's not coming from schools, it's not coming from the media, it's not coming from peer pressure. If you have a civics class for a few months, it's like learning a foreign language for that amount of time--then never using it again. You'd forget pretty quickly.

      But if you grow up using a second language--and keep using it--you won't forget it.

      Beyond that, we need to teach people to be critical thinkers. To be receptive to what they read and hear, but to be prepared to consider what they hear critically, and dissent when they don't agree. So many people don't trust their own judgement and find it easier to go with the flow. (on our side too...definitely on our side too...) You don't have to have a degree to be a critical thinker--confidence and a good BS meter will get you far.

      Abortions go up under Republicans. Business is better under Democrats. Pass it on.

      by JMS on Fri Nov 05, 2004 at 11:47:19 AM PST

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    •  Civics lesson (4.00)
      When I was in ROTC in college, we got this tough-ass ex-spec ops guy as an instructor.  On his first day in class, he gave us all copies of the federalist papers (which he quized us on) and the little gov't printing office pamplets that have the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.  He told us that we would be declaring an oath to defend this document, and we'd better learn it.  

      He always made us carry the pamplet with us whenever we did ROTC stuff.  I kept mine in a ziplock bag, but it still got dirty and warped.  I got in the habbit of carrying it with me even later on in my career long after ROTC and college. I didn't always keep the pamplet on my person like our instructor made us, but I had it around.

      The pamplet has been to Korea, Thailand, Iraq, and many more places.  Its jumped out of airplanes and fast-roped out of helicopters.  The print on the covers have worn off, and its falling apart.  But, I'll always keep it.  That was my civics lesson, and I wish more people had the same.

      "An adventure is just something that sucks until its over."

      by LiberalRakkasan on Fri Nov 05, 2004 at 02:05:35 PM PST

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    •  Ann Todd (none)
      I had a Government teacher in high school I will never forget.  Not for what she taught us about the Constitution and all that stuff (tho she did that too) but how she taught us to think critically and logically.  You couldn't get any sloppy reasoning past her.

      She absolutely terrified us at first, until we came up to speed.  After a long in-class debate about what to do in Viet Nam (this was 1968, in a pretty conservative town in Ohio) we finally got her to tell us her own opinion.  She had refused to reveal it while she was equally prodding both sides to defend their positions.  She was for instant and complete withdrawl.

      Thank you, Ann, wherever you are.

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