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  •  you need to browse (none)
    because you have abolutely no idea what I am talking about, or even any idea what you are talking about.

    "Folks in the sticks of Arkansas"? What a red herring. You have absolutely no idea at all what is going on, or who the people are that we are talking about.

    "The problems of today will not be solved by the same thinking that produced the problems in the first place" - Albert Einstein

    by galiel on Sun Nov 07, 2004 at 03:22:25 PM PST

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    •  has it ever occurred to you (none)
      that we've read your crap and have decided we don't believe your interpretation of it for reasons other than that we're stupid or evil?
    •  if your problem is with suburban politicians... (none)
      It's disingenuous to conflate them with toothless hillbillies from Arkansas.  These types are more likely to come from gated communities in California.  The thing is, though, it's easier and cheaper to deride the hillbillies.  Your average Manhattanite finds hillbillies much less congenial than Bill the bonds salesman from the next office, no matter what their respective religious affiliations.

      Way back in 1932, Canada's social democratic party was founded as a grassroots farmers' movement.  Reformers used to come from rural Wisconsin in the form of Republicans like the La Follettes.  You need to ask yourself what changed (it wasn't religious affiliation) rather than babble to your fellow-travellers about theocracy in America if you want to have a practical impact in politics.

    •  getting back upthread (none)
      The point of all this is that you wish to conflate the vast masses of voting evangelical Christians, let's say about 50 million this election, with the Dominionsists, who are a small minority of people close to the Republican leadership claiming (successfully, so far) to be able to deliver the values vote.  This effectively lumps in tens of millions of people who've never heard of Dominionism with a few creeps who know how to push their buttons.

      This is as stupid as claiming that all Democrats are practicing wiccans.  Rural Christians are not zombies or conspirators against democracy.  They are simply people, largely products of their environment as are most of us, and we on the left need to appeal to them if we want to play any role in the politics of the future.  Your strategy of labelling the evangelical movement it its entirety as a theocratic conspiracy writ large, and writing it off in consequence, simply ignores the realities of the composition of the electorate in the USA.  It is dangerous folly and it is civically irresponsible.

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