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  •  Not quite the same. DOJ tells you that (2+ / 0-)
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    cotterperson, Jyrinx

    waterboarding isn't torture. You think it is, but everyone of the higher ups says it ain't. Now if you'd killed a few million Arabs for no reason, and bought the DOJ opinion that it was all gravy, that would be a different animal.

    [Conservatives are] engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy. That is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. -JKG

    by You know me man on Thu Mar 05, 2009 at 04:11:26 PM PST

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    •  I was referring to (2+ / 0-)
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      phrogge prince, You know me man

      the “‘following orders’ bullshit,” which IIUC is precisely what the Nuremberg precedent forbids.

      Denny Crane: But if he supports a law, and then agrees to let it lapse … then that would make him …

      Shirley Schmidt: A Democrat.

      by Jyrinx on Thu Mar 05, 2009 at 04:13:35 PM PST

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      •  I get that, but just following orders to commit a (2+ / 0-)
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        unquestionable act, is different than doing so when you could have a reasonable defense of thinking the act was legal. Killing is different than torture, and most of the world refused to call waterboarding torture.

        BTW it is, and we executed Japanese soldiers for doing it after WWII.

        [Conservatives are] engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy. That is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. -JKG

        by You know me man on Thu Mar 05, 2009 at 04:16:42 PM PST

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        •  I dunno. Would that stand up (1+ / 0-)
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          You know me man

          to a demonstration or video in court? Waterboarding is some brutal shit, as even Hitchens can attest.

          Denny Crane: But if he supports a law, and then agrees to let it lapse … then that would make him …

          Shirley Schmidt: A Democrat.

          by Jyrinx on Thu Mar 05, 2009 at 04:17:51 PM PST

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          •  I'll look to be sure, but the Nazis who were (1+ / 0-)
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            hanged because they said they were just following orders, did not cooperate with the investigation. I'm sure low level dudes who withheld food and water, and tortured in some cases, who did provide aid to the investigation were spared in some cases.

            [Conservatives are] engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy. That is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. -JKG

            by You know me man on Thu Mar 05, 2009 at 04:19:58 PM PST

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