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  •  It's H.R. 1310... (3+ / 0-)
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    ...which people can read about here. Not the total answer, but a very good "quick fix," as Devilstower has characterized it.

    "The truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it." -Flannery O'Connor

    by Meteor Blades on Wed Mar 11, 2009 at 09:26:22 AM PDT

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    •  that proposal is essentially bush's law used to (0+ / 0-)

      create this mess of "legalizing" the previously illegal methods used for MTR mining. 1310 is based on the words and definitions that federal agencies and the courts easily interpreted to authorize valley fills despite other regs that made it illegal. and it does not eliminate the statutory amendments bush also used to give him a complete package deal of "legalizing" MTR.

      I don't see that as step forward or ending MTR.

      Earth provides enough to satisfy every man's need, but not every man's greed. Mohandas K. Gandhi

      by Patriot Daily News Clearinghouse on Wed Mar 11, 2009 at 09:37:03 AM PDT

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      •  We'll have to agree to disagree on... (0+ / 0-)

        ...this one, PDNC. As I said, this legislation isn't the total answer, but it is a start.

        "The truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it." -Flannery O'Connor

        by Meteor Blades on Wed Mar 11, 2009 at 09:56:02 AM PDT

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        •  can you tell me how it is a start when (0+ / 0-)

          it is based on rules and regs bush used to "legalize" MTR? Why specifically do you believe it is a start?

          Devilstower and I discussed this at length last year, he reviewed my analysis and proposal and agreed, and added key ideas.

          We have the WH, sponsors and a receptive congress. Why not write up a proposal that will actually work to stop MTR instead of continuing this method of band aids that don't address the issues?

          Earth provides enough to satisfy every man's need, but not every man's greed. Mohandas K. Gandhi

          by Patriot Daily News Clearinghouse on Wed Mar 11, 2009 at 10:03:26 AM PDT

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          •  I'm asking... (2+ / 0-)
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            I've talked to two different organizations now whose lawyers have told me they believe the CWPA is going to be effective against most instances of MTR because it clarifies the "fill/waste" issue.

            But, as you've said, it would certainly be better to have everything more explicitly spelled out in a bill that directly addressed MTR.

            I've asked Mary Anne Hitt of the Sierra Club, who will be on the Q&A with Ashley, to address this issue so we can see what the SC has to say.

            •  if you remember devilstower, the position (0+ / 0-)

              of some lawyers when we discussed this in depth was what you said, but i was also told that they did not want to rock the boat, that they finally had some sponsors to the existing proposal, so they wanted to finish the process. but that was during bush years.

              We have the WH now, we have sponsors who are not likely to jump ship.

              thanks for responding and all your work on this issue. :)

              Earth provides enough to satisfy every man's need, but not every man's greed. Mohandas K. Gandhi

              by Patriot Daily News Clearinghouse on Wed Mar 11, 2009 at 10:33:26 AM PDT

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              •  The response from the Sierra Club (2+ / 0-)
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                Is that they also believe the CWPA is "the only bill currently before Congress that would curtail mountaintop removal."

                When the chat goes on this afternoon, I'd encourage you to poke Mary Anne about this again (I'll try to do the same). I'm going to trust that the legal minds at these organizations know what they're talking about, but that doesn't mean I don't want to follow their reasoning.

                •  "only bill currently before Congress" is probably (0+ / 0-)

                  true, but may be setting a low bar. Are there any other MTR bills before congress now?

                  I think that is the wrong question anyhow. The question is not is 1310 the best bill currently before Congress but rather will 1310 end or even curtail MTR.

                  i am prepping now for client meetings this afternoon, so probably can't pop in then, but i will be very appreciative if you can get some specifics from them.

                  Earth provides enough to satisfy every man's need, but not every man's greed. Mohandas K. Gandhi

                  by Patriot Daily News Clearinghouse on Wed Mar 11, 2009 at 11:26:14 AM PDT

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          •  You sound as if you already have ... (1+ / 0-)
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            ...a proposal in mind. Write a Diary and do what you usually do, make a strong case. As for DT, he's backing H.R. 1310, as can be seen here.

            "The truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it." -Flannery O'Connor

            by Meteor Blades on Wed Mar 11, 2009 at 10:24:06 AM PDT

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