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  •  Perhaps we need to encourage this... (none)
    This didn't take long to get under Brooks' skin.  A little encouragement should help to enhance the divisions and slow down any adoption of a wingnut conservative agenda.

    Either that, or two years from now, we get to invite the non-evangelicals to come join us.

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    by Jonathan on Fri Nov 05, 2004 at 10:58:53 PM PST

    •  I'm thinking that we should encourage (4.00)
      the evengelicals to ask for their due.  Liberals get blamed for a batch of crap that we could care less about.  One example being women prostituting themselves on Fox TV reality shows.  Let the broadcast TV be squeaky clean.  I'm getting damn tired of viagra and cialis ads myself.  Don't really want to have to explain to the kids why you would want to use them, and the idea of old people needing drugs to get it up so they can screw is more than even this 46 year old wants to think about while I'm watching a football game.  Not to mention erections that last more than 4 hours.

      I know I'm starting to think like Nader, but some of the asinine things the evangelicals want, like no birth control, could turn this country blue.  And why should we give our hard earned tax dollars to tv preachers in the name of the faith-based initiative?  Let's encourage Christians to ask for that, giving Jerry Falwell tax money is bound to scare up some mighty nice scandals.  And the businessmen that actually run the republican party don't want this crap any more than we do, and we should get them to be obvious about it.

      I got an all-rethug congressional delegation here in central pensylvania, so I think I'm going to start writing letters and encouraging my fellow evangelicals to do the same.

      •  i'm doing the same thing. (none)
        my wingnutter senators are coburn and inhofe. truly, i am blessed!

        i want laws against adultery, divorce, harry potter books, condoms, plagues of locusts and rampant homosexuality. church should be state funded. that's a start.

        No member of our generation who wasn't a Communist or a dropout in the thirties is worth a damn. Lyndon B. Johnson

        by maskling11 on Fri Nov 05, 2004 at 11:24:24 PM PST

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      •  I really like this (none)
        I smell wedge issues and ballot initiatives.  Let's make the moderates explicitly disavow the nutcases.  Let's make Bush either come out explicitly in favor of or against the evangelicals' most dearly-held dreams.

        Nothing like making them fight amongst themselves to get the ball rolling for 2006, and stymie more radical change.

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        by Jonathan on Fri Nov 05, 2004 at 11:36:38 PM PST

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      •  Sure, not a bad idea (none)
        What this column tells me is that the media storyline is currently "hard right Christian conservatives reelected Bush" and this worries others who voted for Bush and threatens his whole "I have the will of all [51% of] the people" thing.

        In other words, the more we all talk about far-right evangelicals, the more other elements in the Republican party and Bush voters in general get freaked out, and the more the far-right thinks it gets to push its own agenda.  So keep talking.  Brooks is trying to defuse that by pretending a whole broad coalition wanted Bush's agenda (the one he never told us about).  Don't let him.

        We must cultivate our garden.

        by daria g on Sat Nov 06, 2004 at 12:52:06 AM PST

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    •  Absolutely Agree (none)
      So we've got fundamentalists and neo-cons arguing about who was the bigger factor - but both of them unite to presume to tell Kerry supporters to "unite with them." So you tell the neo-cons that you don't want to unite with a party of bigots, and you tell the fundamentalists that you'd really rather not hang out with a bunch of warmongers.

      Divide & conquer.

      Disgusted at Bush's "One Finger Victory Salute?" Salute Back!

      by aftk2 on Sat Nov 06, 2004 at 12:33:16 AM PST

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    •  You miss the point (none)
      Brooks knows and does not care about why the hard right came out so strongly in support of Bush.

      The point he is trying to make is that MOST OF AMERICA broadly supported Bush.

      In other words, he is trying to say that Bush has a broad mandate, while getting in a few old-school cheap shots at "liberals" and the liberal media.

      That's David Brooks, sophist extraordinaire, who talks a rational game in support of the most radical of agendas.

      We must cultivate our garden.

      by daria g on Sat Nov 06, 2004 at 12:48:31 AM PST

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      •  I don't think so (none)
        I agree with you that that is one part of Brooks' column -- pushing the "mandate" theme.  But he specifically attacks the idea that Bush owes his re-election to "values" voters.  There's a subtext there that the rest of them don't want evangelicals to rule the roost, and whether he intended it that way or not (I think he did), that's how it will be taken by evangelicals.

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        by Jonathan on Sat Nov 06, 2004 at 08:49:11 AM PST

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