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  •  Is there room for him in the Democratic Party? (1+ / 0-)
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    •  No (6+ / 0-)
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      Aspe4, shpilk, MD patriot, lgcap, RenMin, chrome327

      Seat Al Franken!

      by Paleo on Wed Mar 25, 2009 at 07:30:38 AM PDT

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    •  Do you love groveling before blue dogs? (10+ / 0-)

      Don't you love having to water down good legislation to the point of worthlessness just to satisfy the blue dogs like Ben Campbell or Max Baucus?

      We don't just need more Democrats.

      We need better Democrats. And Arlen "weasel" Specter is not one of them.

      •  But your only other options (0+ / 0-)

        is a far wingnut.  Blue Dogs are there because they are the ONLY ones that can possibly run against wingnuts in conservative states.  And for all his faults, he is a moderate, willing to cross party lines in order to pass important legislation.  

        We need "moderate" Republicans to know that if they cross party lines are are thankful, and can help (I am under the impression that the Unions promised to cross party lines in the primary for Specter).  While we all want a Democrat in office instead of Spectre, we can so SO MUCH WORSE than him. Let's not drive him out -- not only will he likely be replaced by a wingnut, but OTHER moderate Republicans will see that they can't get the time of day from us either....

        •  He won't be replaced by a wingnut. (5+ / 0-)

          Toomey doesn't stand a chance in a general against a remotely strong Democrat.

          This isn't Mississipi we're talking about.

          "Callin' it your job sure don't make it Right, but if you want me to I'll say a prayer for your soul tonight" John Mellencamp ~ Scarecrow

          by JesseCW on Wed Mar 25, 2009 at 08:09:33 AM PDT

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        •  No Way (2+ / 0-)
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          That argument might hold water in Idaho or Alabama, but not Pennsylvania -- Obama won by 10 points, for goodness' sake.

          "[W]e shall see the reign of witches pass over . . . and the people, recovering their true spirit, restore their government to its true principles." Jefferson

          by RenMin on Wed Mar 25, 2009 at 08:15:03 AM PDT

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          •  Obama vs. Democrats (0+ / 0-)

            I agree (we) Democrats are in the ascension, and Obama himself certainly is.

            However, much like Reagan, Obama won on the strength of his PERSONAL likability, and the weakness of his opponent.  Pennsylvania didn't magically turn 10 points more Democratic.  

            Thanks to all above (bten, RemMin, and JesseeCW) for pointing out that a strong Democrat could indeed win Pennsylvania.  To be honest I hadn't really considered that an option.  I assume they would need to be a rather moderate candidate, but moderate blue is better than moderate red.

            Back to my initial question: Didn't the unions say they would cross party lines in the primary to vote for Specter?  If the/we made that promise, I hope we keep it..again, there are other moderate Republican Senators out there (Snowe comes to mind) that should feel reassurance that if we make a promise to them we will keep it.

        •  But the wingnut will lose big time. (1+ / 0-)
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          That's the thing; Arlen will lose to the Club For Growth wingnut Toomey in the primary; and Toomey will be obliterated by almost any sentient Democratic candidate running against him, now that Pennsylvania's blue collar workers have been pulverized by George Bush's depression.

          A senate election is not like a congressional seat, which has been exquisitely gerrymandered to make it safe for wingnuts. Instead it's state-wide, including urban and hipster suburban areas to offset the gun-loving, bible-beating wingnut heartland. Remember, sitting Senator Rick man-on-dog Santorum was thrown out of office by a Democratic candidate despite funding advantages.

          Finally, you just don't understand today's Republican party. Letting "moderate" Republicans know they can cross party lines is pointless when it merely targets them for termination. Specter will be forced out in a primary by the loons running the Republican party precisely because he's willing to work with Obama. That just marks him for political death.

    •  Maybe at the state assembly level? (2+ / 0-)
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      In a really red district?

      We must pick ourselves up, dust ourselves off, and begin again the work of remaking America.

      by Minerva on Wed Mar 25, 2009 at 07:51:45 AM PDT

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