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  •  because you're not looking (4+ / 0-)

     The United States has been stable a long time. This is the exception rather than the rule. The very longest Egyptian dynasties were three centuries. We've had nearly that long with just one significant period of disarray. We're overdue for a change and the forces that propel such things are in play.

    "Not dead ... yet. Still have ... things to do." -Liet Kynes

    by Stranded Wind on Tue Mar 31, 2009 at 05:24:20 AM PDT

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    •  no, I think selection bias (1+ / 0-)
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      plays in. you're giving the nutcases on RW radio far more credit then it deserves.

      For example I heard similar talk (especially about race wars) in the late 1990s. It obviously never happened, because the nation's tolerance for that is long gone.

      There are cretins who have been with us from the beginning of the US. What percentage of 300 million are they? We can't simply assume they're all of the remaining 20%ers of Bush supporters. I hazard the number is much much smaller. Don't ignore them, of course, that was a mistake we made in the early 1990s, but don't go nuts about them.

      Civil War coming? I seriously doubt it.

      (0.12, -3.33) ONE America! Yes! We really are ONE America!

      by terrypinder on Tue Mar 31, 2009 at 05:39:33 AM PDT

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    •  People should read more about history (3+ / 0-)
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      of precious empires and dynasties.  They all follow a line that is co clear it is scary.

      We are in the fat, happy, pump money into the society and start the bread and circus time.

      I would wager that within the next 25 years the USA will not have the same amount of States.  There are States that are ready and willing to break away.

      Personally if the States do break away I will probably retire to those States.  They will act in a much more logical manner than the current Centralized insanity that keeps appearing year after year.

      For all his reported want to change, Obama doesn't have a gnats chance of changing a lot on the big ship called the Federal Government.  Too many Congress people are tied to special interests (Dems and Reps).

      This is even bigger than the USA problems.  Most (if not all) of the EU countries are having a big fiscal problem keeping the benefit train on the tracks.  A lot of the current countries are fat, happy and lazy.

      The new economic powers are going to be in the Pacific rim area.  There you find people that hunger for work, hunger to gain economic mobility.  China made a 180 degree turn and now is a growing (kind of) capitalist society.  India has people buying more and more cars.

      My parent were Depression people and knew how to save, they took care of their own troubles and didn't expect much from other parties.  They also were part of the great US economic expansion.  They had better morals, they worked harder and had a love for their country.

      Compare that to our society today and there is no comparison.  You can't even watch a kids movie without hearing the actors swear.  To this day why did they have to have the actor swear in Casper the Ghost movie.  +We are treated to Entertainment Tonight shows that do nothing but point how out of hand the Hollywood types can be and their extravagant lifestyle.  Yet for some reason people will hold Hollywood people up as a political voice to be heard and listened to.  I've always wondered why?

    •  The Old European Dynasties Either Predated (1+ / 0-)
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      technology that integrates large areas, or inherited ancient cultural patterns and expectations that predated integration technology.

      The US is different because it expanded right along with integration technology. First, sailing ships built frontwards after a 10,000 year delay and with efficient sail plans, then steam and telegraph & eventually telecommunication.

      Not all of that's going away due to either peak energy or waste absorption limits.

      I think we've still got plenty of energy in store for mass communication and virtual recreation for example.

      Europe was born out of millennia of hard core cultural and linguistic differentiation; we weren't.

      I can see some of the south breaking off, and I can see the union accepting it without a fight. The big incentive to hold together would come from the Pentagon, for funding reasons. But it's becoming quite the fundamentalist stronghold so maybe it would weigh in with those forces to keep the union and change the government.

      We've already reduced constitutional government to a home rule body with very limited jurisdiction beyond immediate interests of the voters. Both ownership and security have long ago finished with this democracy crap so it wouldn't be a very big step to formalize the new world order.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Tue Mar 31, 2009 at 05:48:46 AM PDT

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      •  there's another reason the Pentagon (1+ / 0-)
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        wouldn't like it.

        Apparently there was a move afoot in the early 40s for Oregon and Washington to seceed, legally, with all the proper formalities.  

        Then Pearl Harbor happened.  And they stopped talking about secession.

        Where would we have been in WW2 if we had been fractured?  If the South had won the Civil War and established itself as an independent nation.  If the Northwest had done it by the book in 1941.

        Where I think we might very well be, is under the thumb of the Nazis on the East coast, and Imperial Japan on the West coast.  Or at least we would be living in an uneasy peace with regimes that slaughtered, by the time it was over without our involvement, tens of millions.  

        No thanks.  

        And I'm willing to bet that someone in the Pentagon had those thoughts long before I ever did.  

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