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  •  looks like Kos won't be supporting Murphy n/t (2+ / 0-)
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    •  Markos and Bowers are being idiots (2+ / 0-)
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      But at least this explains why, except for Arjun, FP support has been so poor.  Maybe it also explains the lack of support for Paul Carmouche in LA-04 last December.

      To repeat my response just posted elsewhere, here are Murphy's big donors:

      DCCC $591,591
      DNC $10,000
      AFSCME $72,563
      Planned Parenthood $5,000
      SEIU $546,920
      Total: $1,226,074

      Would a politician who got half of his money from unions and Planned Parenthood be much of a Blue Dog?  He's signaling to his pretty conservative that he's going to be pretty fiscally conservative.  That is what is to be expected out of that district.  However, as a smart guy, Murphy would know where his interests lie: in this case, in supporting a strong union movement.  And yet Markos and Bowers can't get beyond the "Blue Dog" label.  It makes me wonder why their interest is here.  Well, I can offer them a new slogan, if they really want it: "More Republicans and Better Democrats."

      Victory rests on your finger! Phonebank NY-20!

      by Seneca Doane on Tue Mar 31, 2009 at 12:30:43 PM PDT

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    •  If I'm remembering correctly (3+ / 0-)
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      the issue is with conservative Dems in districts that have partisan index of +Dem.  It's understandable that politicians in conservative districts (like NY-20) might have to depart from the party line on some issues if their constituents disagree with us.  But it's completely unacceptable for a politician that lives in a district with partisan index of, say +5 Dem, to be voting conservative.  

      I've been waiting for the "better Democrats" part since I started lurking at this site in 2006 and I'm over the moon that Kos has decided to shift his efforts in that direction.

      "If you can find money to kill people, you can find money to help people." -Tony Benn (-6.38,-6.36)

      by The Rational Hatter on Tue Mar 31, 2009 at 12:32:05 PM PDT

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      •  Voting "conservative" on what? (0+ / 0-)

        Don't confuse talking conservative with voting conservative.

        •  I don't believe I am. (0+ / 0-)

          Furthermore I am more concerned with people speaking "moderately" and then voting conservatively. Of which there are plenty of examples Ben Nelson and Joe Lieberman being the two I can think of off the top of my head.  Admittedly those are not Blue Dogs in the House but I can only keep so many pols straight in my head and the Senate is way easier.

          But Democrats who oppose middle class economic releif packages while voting for Wall Street relief packages when their districts are pretty staunchly blue?  That's not ok. People who oppose health care reform? Representing a blue district?  Not ok. Opposed to EFCA?  Representing a blue district? Not ok. There are too many Democrats that take positions further to the right than they should in this political climate and I think it's time we escort them out of Congress.  

          To be clear, providing that Murphy wins, I would only really expect him to back EFCA because of his funding numbers.  I would hope he'd back health care reform and middle class economic policies but we'll have to see.  But his district is not staunchly blue so he does get some grace from me.  

          Others are less forgiving.  

          "If you can find money to kill people, you can find money to help people." -Tony Benn (-6.38,-6.36)

          by The Rational Hatter on Tue Mar 31, 2009 at 02:18:40 PM PDT

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          •  I agree Murphy would support EFCA (1+ / 0-)
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            Solely because of his source of funding; not for any reason such as his constituents understanding, much less supporting this fully funding union management bill.

            As far as the other issues, "middle class tax relief" and "health care reform", I think its a matter of whether these blue dog democrats represent districts where the majority of their constituents a) don't pay any FIT and b) don't have private health insurance. Since the "middle class tax relief" does not offer actual relief to "middle class" folks paying FIT and "health care reform" is meaningless if you have private health insurance since that "reform" shifts the burden of health insurance from out-of-pocket to taxing the same people, I think its a matter of the support will come when over 50% of the constituents in these districts don't pay FIT and don't have private health insurance. We are getting there, but still have work to do!

            •  Agreed. (0+ / 0-)

              A politicians job is merely to represent his/her district.  Convincing their consituents on policy is a shared responsibilty between pols and people like us.

              "If you can find money to kill people, you can find money to help people." -Tony Benn (-6.38,-6.36)

              by The Rational Hatter on Tue Mar 31, 2009 at 02:47:46 PM PDT

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