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  •  Considering that macs ARE pcs... (10+ / 0-)

    Yeah, it's not a Mac vs PC war anymore (if it ever was). It's a real operating system vs Windows war.

    People need to get the fuck off Windows- it's insecure and unreliable. Install Linux/BSD/Solaris, buy a Mac, buy a computer with Linux, whatever. But don't use Windows.

    The fact that Microsoft is one of the most corrupt corporations doesn't exactly help their case either.

    •  I don't hate Windows or Bill Gates (1+ / 0-)
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      I just think it is bad to give someone such a large share of the market for a variety of reasons.  It allows them to jack up the prices of their products higher than normal, and it becomes the equivalent of inbreeding, so they're is not immunity to viruses like conflicker.

    •  Oh? (0+ / 0-)

      "People need to get the fuck off Windows- it's insecure and unreliable."

      Because you say so?

      I use both Windows and Mac computers at home and at work. A little routine maintenance and a little common sense go a long way in keeping any computer stable and secure, no matter what operating system you are running.

      I've had fewer problems and better stability on my Windows computers, and no amount of typically erroneous "insecure and unreliable" comments from people like you will change that fact.

      •  You're right, I don't know what I'm talking about (2+ / 0-)
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        bobinson, BoxNDox

        It's not like I've been using Windows since version 3.1.

        And I definitely don't know what I'm talking about because I've never actually studied OS design.

        Windows definitely doesn't have more viruses than every other operating system out there combined.

        Stop being a partisan and actually look at the facts that have been demonstrated by security experts and out in the wild time and time again.

        •  Stop being a partisan? (0+ / 0-)

          Explaining my experience is being partisan? OK...

          Maybe you should stop putting words in my mouth and respond to what I wrote instead of launching a tirade based on something I never said.

          •  You didn't say much of anything (3+ / 0-)
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            bobinson, augustin, BoxNDox

            But okay, here:

            Every single virus out there proves, over and over again, that Windows is insecure.

            Every single time an application brings down the entire OS, it proves that Windows is unstable.

            A secure operating system does not get infected by viruses. A secure operating system doesn't have root exploits. A stable operating system can't be brought down by an application, no matter how buggy.

            The registry system is a botch, DLLs are a kludge, the lack of an all-in-one package management system means end users will ALWAYS have out of date applications without security fixes, the closed nature means nobody can actually look at the source to find bugs or even to know if it's doing what it's supposed to be doing, and there isn't nearly enough segmentation between users or between applications and the system.

            There's no fallback if a video driver update fails because the installers are graphics-based and can't be recovered from a terminal, and...

            Actually, screw it. Windows just plain sucks because it gets so much wrong.

            •  You are a very silly person (0+ / 0-)

              "Every single virus out there proves, over and over again, that Windows is insecure."

              No, it doesn't. It proves that the people who create viruses know that by targeting the most popular OS, they are more likely to succeed.

              I'm not interested in refuting all of your points, and I'm done with this pissing contest.

              •  Uh, you might want to open a dictionary there (3+ / 0-)
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                bobinson, augustin, BoxNDox

                If Windows was "secure", there would be no viruses for it; and certainly not hundreds of thousands of them.

                Compare to OpenBSD, which has had a mere TWO remote root exploits in the past 10+ years-- and that's with source code available.

                Windows? Even without the source, people are hacking into it left and right. Why? Because they can. And that's only possible because it's insecure.

        •  I'm certain you know more about computers (0+ / 0-)

          than I, but in light of all that's going on in the business world, it's actually laughable that you would assert

          The fact that Microsoft is one of the most corrupt corporations doesn't exactly help their case either.

          •  Not really laughable (5+ / 0-)

            Just because they weren't tied to the downfall of the financial sector doesn't mean they're not corrupt.

            You're just thinking that lying about money is worse because that has more obvious effects, but consider just how much harm Microsoft has done to the technology sector for everyone except their partners...

            Hell, Microsoft even corrupted the ISO. Not even AIG managed to pull off something that ridiculous.

            •  you must live in a pretty sheltered world (0+ / 0-)

              To consider Microsoft one of the most corrupt corporations.  

              But whatever - I can tell you're not a fan of the company.  Neither am I, but I can tell hyperbole when I see it.

              •  Actually, as an active investor (0+ / 0-)

                I have to agree, Microsoft is one of the most corrupt corporations on the major exchanges -- if you define corrupt as "willing to break the law and bribe people".

                The big financial corporations were stupid for the most part -- only a few of them were particularly corrupt.

                Of course, the big oil companies and big tobacco have some pretty impressive "corrupt" credentials.  But Microsoft is right up there.

                -5.63, -8.10. Learn about Duverger's Law.

                by neroden on Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 08:26:55 AM PDT

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      •  I Agree (1+ / 0-)
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        a little common sense go a long way in keeping any computer stable and secure, no matter what operating system you are running

        I write both commercial and one-off software for both platforms. Both platforms have good and bad, and both have their place.

        <div style="font-size:10px;text-align:center;background-color:#ffd;color:#f33">If the terriers and bariffs are torn down, this economy will grow - G. Bush

        by superscalar on Tue Mar 31, 2009 at 01:38:44 PM PDT

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    •  I've had my Mac G-4 for 7 years, (2+ / 0-)
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      it runs as well as the day I bought it (the only problem occurred when my USB hub burned out -- replacing it for under $30.00 solved it), and I've never had a virus.  It has far more space and memory than I can use and I run Illustrator and Photoshop on it with ease, handling very large files.  

      •  I upgraded my 7 year old G-4 a month ago (0+ / 0-)

        OMFG, you gotta do it. I just got used to the way it took a seemingly little bit of time to do stuff. Little bit of beach ball here and there. I just thought the web connection was a bit slow at times. I could live with it. No big deal.

        But seriously. Holy crap. the new machines are what I would call instantaneous. Also, can't run CS4 on a 7 year old machine. CS4: another holy crap this is awesome discovery.

        Of course, there is a price. It ain't no $30 hub.

        "Some see their body as a temple. I see mine as a well run Presbyterian youth center." -Emo Phillips

        by bobinson on Tue Mar 31, 2009 at 06:39:00 PM PDT

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