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  •  OK, I've wanted to ask... (1+ / 0-)
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    thethinveil

    you say you're against economic growth. What do you mean by that precisely? In certain respects, I agree. For instance, I don't think shoveling more unhealthy food into already morbidly-obese American consumers is "growth," or at least not growth worth creating. So, it terms of raw consumption growth as far as quantities, I agree in many cases.

    However, in GDP terms, you do know that lots of scientific and cultural advances are directly or indirectly counted towards GDP, right? I guess I just would like to understand what it is you mean by a "no growth" or "steady state" economy.  

    •  no growth: (2+ / 0-)
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      blueness, TylerFromNE

      No increase in the consumption of raw materials or the production of waste products, and no net energy gain for the biosphere as a result of human activity.

      Also, no intrusion of commodity value into areas of life governed by intrinsic value.  No putting a price tag on friendship, love, and loyalty, the latter including loyalty to country.  No expansion of GDP at the expense of the intrinsic human values of relationship.  

      Economics is a tool and money is a tool.  You do not let a rake or hammer or the blender in the kitchen tell you how to live your life, nor do you let them take over your yard, workshop, or kitchen respectively.  Each of these things has its limited place in the overall way you live your life.  

      Less emphasis on the freneticism of the economically-determined life also means:

      More free time, less work, less stress, less running on the treadmill, fewer heart attacks, more sensual gratification, more contemplation, more creativity, more friendship and love, more singing & dancing, more playing games and sports, more average citizens doing science in their back yards, more time to talk with strangers and talk with God, more time to talk to yourself and listen to your conscience.   Less emphasis on what President Carter called things, things, and more things, more emphasis on the people in your life, more rest, more sleep, and more dreams.  

      •  OK, I can dig that. (1+ / 0-)
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        G2geek

        Honestly, I have to kinda wonder just how much more crap will ever want to buy. It seems that we're already devoting a lot of resources to convince people to go on consuming when they've really had enough.

        Of course, if western consumers, for the most part, just feel like they don't want to consume any more, we'd be in for some radical changes. But while I may not agree 100%, you definitely have a point in that happiness, not "more consumption" is the end to be sought.

        I mean, is it really all that hard to imagine a time in which humanity just sort of says "OK, we've got enough stuff now, we can stop making so much of it. What's next on the agenda?"

        •  consumption fatigue. (0+ / 0-)

          Too much stuff, too much stress, not enough free time, not enough peace & quiet.

          Eventually people barf on it, just like the frat boy in the photo in the diary.  Enough becomes too much, and it's time for a change.  

          And let's not forget:  less violence, more sex; less multi-tasking, more attention; less 24/7, more timeless moments.  

          There's a reason the rat race is called a rat race.  

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