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  •  Well, to each his own... (1+ / 0-)
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    but AFAIC, if there's a Blue Dog in one district and a progressive running in another, my $100 will go to the progressive; it won't be split. And I suspect that's Markos' position too.

    •  It doesn't matter to you how close each race is? (0+ / 0-)

      By the way: there was no other race going on: special election here.  Well, I suppose there's one in Rahm's old district: you'd really give to Quigley over Murphy?

      So, Markos: we're supposed to hope Murphy wins in NY-20, but not donate to or work for him? Yup?

      by Seneca Doane on Thu Apr 02, 2009 at 02:13:49 PM PDT

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      •  Well, the progressive would have to have (1+ / 0-)
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        a fighting chance obviously. But if she did, then she'd get my money. As for no other races, actually, it's not that early to be providing money to progressive candidates especially if they are going to be involved in a primary as a challenger.

        I would also say that NY-20 is not going to determine who today gets a majority in the House and for Murphy to so publicly declare his affinity for the Blue Dogs doesn't bode well for his support for any progressive issues other than keeping the Dems in a comfortable majority (and I'm assuming that can be considered progressive.)

        Look, Blue Dogs obviously have their own sources of funding and really needn't rely on scarce progressive resources. In that regard, Kos is actually being quite consistent in his position expressed in Crashing the Gate: not all groups in the Dem coalition have to provide resources to all candidates. It's perfectly OK, indeed, I'd say desirable for each group to put its limited resources into pushing candidates it truly believes in. That philosophy is even more a propos for individuals.

        •  That's a good recipe for minority status (0+ / 0-)

          Murphy was running as "I'll be as much like Gillibrand was as possible."  That meant, among other things, attaching a Blue Dog label to less conservative policies.  Obviously, the "sources of funding" that you think Blue Dogs have were not there for Murphy.  That should give you pause as to his nature.

          So, Markos: we're supposed to hope Murphy wins in NY-20, but not donate to or work for him? Yup?

          by Seneca Doane on Thu Apr 02, 2009 at 04:17:55 PM PDT

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    •  And that's an absolutely reasonable (0+ / 0-)

      position.  My donations will have an ideological currency attached to them, or my purposes for donating will be for naught.

      Were I interested solely in raising the number of Dems, I'd just donate in close races regardless of ideology.

      However, it's become extremely clear to me that a more progressive Democratic caucus would be much more effective regarding the economic interests of average Americans and would be much more beneficial to the longevity of Democratic party control of the government.

      My $100 goes to the progressive too and it certainly aint going to be split.  If we don't want to be treated like a mere atm, we need to stop acting like mere atms.

      With hope and virtue, let us brave once more the icy currents, and endure what storms may come. - President Obama

      by GN1927 on Thu Apr 02, 2009 at 03:37:06 PM PDT

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      •  Why start now? </snark> (1+ / 0-)
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        I don't mind an ActBlue link at the bottom or even top of a diary, but I certainly got tired of exhortations to send! more! money! last year.

        Give us the information and let us decide.  And for pity's sake don't go from pushing fifty states' worth of Blue Dogs one year and then saying "Oh, that was soooo 2008!" the next year.

        We might feel a little used.

        Proud member of the Cult of Issues and Substance!

        by Fabian on Thu Apr 02, 2009 at 04:57:48 PM PDT

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        •  The point IS (0+ / 0-)

          that you do not have to play the part of random ATM.

          That's an individual choice.  One that is avoided by choosing to fund progressive candidates exclusively.

          With hope and virtue, let us brave once more the icy currents, and endure what storms may come. - President Obama

          by GN1927 on Sun Apr 05, 2009 at 12:15:30 PM PDT

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