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  •  Why do Americans want to shoot first? (17+ / 0-)

    Because in polls like this one, they pollster doesn't actually tell people what the consequences of an attack on North Korea would likely be.  The majority of Americans have no clue that North Korea could very well just annihilate South Korea were we to make any hostile moves towards them - and the Japanese also are at risk.  Most Americans don't understand the politics, the huge risks or even make the connection that people are concerned about North Korea for a real reason - and that if a military strike could have worked - it would have been undertaken a long, long time ago.

    I don't know how many Brits understand the complexity of the North Korean problem either though and I would be interested to see if polled in the same way they'd be radically different.

    •  haven't they learnt a thing? (3+ / 0-)
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      Why isn't the first instinct reaction that war is evil and should be avoided. Or that war is dangerous and should be avoided. Or that wars are just too costly and should be avoided?

      There are so many reasons to not go to war.

      Why do 57% of Americans do not know even a single one of them?

      •  Look - these polls pose these questions as (9+ / 0-)

        if the option is actually doable and rational - it is basically a push-poll - there is no serious person - even in the Bush Administration - who thinks we can use military force against North Korea.

        The question shouldn't even be asked and if it is, the results shouldn't be considered relevant.

        It is like asking people if they'd like the tooth fairy to come down and provide free dental care for life.  Most people would love to do away with the North Korean regime, but that doesn't mean they're going to be able to do it.

    •  The poster does have a point (2+ / 0-)
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      You'd hope Americans would know what the ramifications of what they're asking for.

    •  exactly (4+ / 0-)

      which leads me to speculate that those 15% against in the poll are probably the Americans who have actually served on the DMZ

      Christ rode on an ass, but now asses ride on Christ. - Heinrich Heine

      by Jeffersonian Democrat on Mon Apr 06, 2009 at 07:48:42 AM PDT

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    •  After Iraq? Still?? (2+ / 0-)
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      If it's true that a majority of Americans STILL do not understand the politics or the huge risks of attacking another nation -- well, then what is going wrong in America?  WHY don't they know this?

      •  Probably partly because in this case (1+ / 0-)
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        they know that North Korea is a nuclear threat - and in this case they aren't being lied to unfortunately.

        I am really not trying to defend the response - just explain it in proper context - and the context is ignorance meets push poll - a push poll that offers an option as if it is an option - one that is not even an option in any reality-based realm.

    •  It would be an absolute disaster (1+ / 0-)
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      At least according to

      Pyongyang can credibly threaten the prompt destruction of Seoul with conventional arms alone.

      and this rather startling stat:

      North Korea fields an artillery force of over 12,000 self-propelled and towed weapon systems. Without moving any artillery pieces, the North could sustain up to 500,000 rounds an hour against Combined Forces Command defenses for several hours.

      Imagine a city the size of Seoul having five hundred thousand artillery shells raining down on it every hour. There aren't enough smart bombs in the U.S. inventory to hit all of these pieces, let alone find them if they start to move them in mountainous terrain.

      You may not be able to change the world, but at least you can embarrass the guilty.
      - Jessica Mitford

      by Swampfoot on Mon Apr 06, 2009 at 09:01:33 AM PDT

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      •  If the pollster asked the following question: (3+ / 0-)
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        Would you support a military strike against North Korea if it meant that the 10 million people in Seoul could be annihilated along with the American military force that is stationed there?

        I think they'd get a far lower number of reponses in the positive.

        Or this question:

        Would you support a strike against North Korea even if it meant that the Chinese might step in and defend them?

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