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  •  Semi-automatics... (2+ / 0-)
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    Pandoras Box, MKSinSA

    I don't claim to know guns.  I looked up one, so I thought that it was semi-automatic or automatic guns.

    An untypical Negro...since 1954.

    by blksista on Tue Apr 07, 2009 at 06:04:58 PM PDT

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    •  There is a VAST difference between semi-automatic (5+ / 0-)

      weapons (which have existed since the 19th century) and AUTOMATIC weapons -- which are in fact a kind of machine gun.  One has to have a very special federal license to purchase an automatic weapon, has to pay an extremely expensive transfer fee on each one.  Only licensed collectors can legally obtain these -- these and SWAT teams, plus the military.  The man on the street has been unable to otherwise purchase an 'automatic' weapon since the early Depression era. The Henry company does NOT offer 'automatic' weapons.

      •  Then I stand corrected... (3+ / 0-)

        and I will revise my post.

        I hope this does not lessen the impact of what I wrote about.

        An untypical Negro...since 1954.

        by blksista on Tue Apr 07, 2009 at 06:12:15 PM PDT

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        •  That's fine, and I don't mean to quarrel. But I (4+ / 0-)

          have grown weary of reporters/writers/news anchors who make no distinction between automatic weapons and semi-automatic weapons.  The general public reads or listens and thinks we're talking about machine guns, which have been essentially impossible to purchase by law-abiding citizens for at least three quarters of a century.

          •  Point taken... (1+ / 0-)
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            An untypical Negro...since 1954.

            by blksista on Tue Apr 07, 2009 at 06:19:38 PM PDT

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          •  What about this? (2+ / 0-)
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            blksista, JVolvo

            Knob Creek Gun Range
            690 Ritchey Lane
            West Point, KY 40177
            1 mile off Dixie Highway on Highway 44
            Phone: 502-922-4457
            See our map.

            We offer several outdoor ranges from which you may shoot including our 350 yd. main range. A combat pistol shooting range & one additional 100 yd. private range.  

            Hours of operation: Wednesday through Monday 9am.-6pm. Closed Tuesdays. Range fee is $10.00 per person per day. Shooters under the age of twelve are $5.00. Parental supervision is required for anyone under the age of 18. You must be 18 years old to shoot a long gun and 21 years of age to shoot a handgun unless you have a parent with you.

            We carry a full line of guns and gun related supplies and equipment. Including handguns, rifles, shotguns, assault rifles, ammunition, targets, scopes & mounts, reloading supplies,  magazines, KCR t-shirts, and other souvenirs.

            Individual memberships are available for $100.00 per year. Family memberships are $150.00 per year! Membership entitles you to unlimited range time during normal hours of operation.

            NEXT MACHINE GUN SHOOT IS OCTOBER 9th, 10th & 11th!

            I "just missed" their April Shoot which was last weekend.

            •  Machine gun owners/collectors may obtain a (4+ / 0-)

              special and expensive permit allowing them to own such a firearm.  There is a very expensive transfer tax each time such a weapon changes hands.  These requirements, with several modifications over the years, have been in place since (I believe) 1934. There are several ranges in the country that have machine gun shoots for those who collect/own such weapons. These legal machine guns are monitored VERY closely by the BATF.

      •  thank you (4+ / 0-)

        for the clarification between automatic and semi-automatic. The difference between these two categories of repeating firearms is an order of magnitude; 10 to 1. Specifically, an automatic weapon shoots ten bullets in the time that a semiautomatic shoots one.

        As you say, fully automatic weapons are, and have been  very highly regulated, with good reason, since back in the gangsters-with-"tommyguns" era before WW2.

        The so-called and ill fated "Assault Weapons Ban" attempted to regulate semi-automatic weapons that were styled to look like fully automatic military assault rifles, because they looked scary to people, even though they had no more capability than any repeating firearm.

        Knowledgeable people understand that the "Assault Weapons Ban" was a joke, a hoax perpetrated upon the unwitting, to make them feel good that something had been done. True assault weapons have never (since the 30s) been available legally to the public, and none of the atrocities you are discussing were committed with fully-automatic weapons.

        It is crucial, in attempting to dialog with gun owners, of whom there are many here at DKos, that one understand this distinction between fully automatic and semi automatic weapons.

        The only actual benefit of that AWB was the prohibition against large capacity magazines. A "magazine" or "clip" holds a certain number of bullets. Your typical policeman's weapon has a magazine with 12 - 17 bullets, as does your typical "gangsta" 9mm pistol. Some of the military lookalikes have magazines with up to 30 bullets, making them pretty devastating, despite being semi-automatic mechanisms.  I suspect that most responsible gun owners would agree to some control over magazine capacity, if it would make the public feel better.

        I also suspect that the vast majority of gun owners would not mind some control over the availability of weapons to crazy people, if they could feel reassured that this was fairly administered.

        don't always believe what you think...

        by claude on Tue Apr 07, 2009 at 07:49:47 PM PDT

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