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  •  I agree that it sucks, but we're a social species (8+ / 0-)

    As a social species, we do pay for each others' mistakes, whether we want to or not.  I didn't decide to run an economy based on oil, but I and my children and grandchildren pay the price for that mistake.  It is the nature of a social species that we suffer for each others' mistakes, and we have institutions like civil debate, elections, checks and balances in our government, etc. to try to minimize those mistakes.

    When those systems fail - which is to say, when we as citizens aren't equal to the tasks our Constitution sets out for us - we all pay for it.

    Good morning! ::huggggggggggggs::

    •  Rather than calling it collective punishment (5+ / 0-)

      Call it cleaning up the messes irresponsible members of our society make instead of collective punishment and I'll agree wth you.

      When I go on my morning walks, I pick up  trash hunters and others leave there, usually beer bottles and cans (in the early monrning yet!) but I don't see doing this as punishment for myself--just making the world look better

      If Liberals really hated America we'd vote Republican

      by exlrrp on Wed Apr 08, 2009 at 06:42:36 AM PDT

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      •  I agree with that. (3+ / 0-)
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        mommaK, kktlaw, FarWestGirl

        The Bush Administration wasn't so much collective punishment as simply what happens when too few of us exercise our duties as citizens.  Too many of us got lazy and complacent, and took basic good government for granted.  When a democracy does that, the people will suffer for that mistake.  All of us, whether we voted for Bush and the GOP or not, paid for those mistakes.

        The beautiful and awful thing about democracy is that we do get the government we deserve: for better or for worse.  If we want it to be "for better," we have to deserve that by exercising our duties as citizens, and not just on election day.

    •  It's really almost like a natural law or karma (4+ / 0-)
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      NCrissieB, kktlaw, FarWestGirl, Edgewater

      The effects of global warming aren't going to spare those who recycled and rode to work on a bicycle, as opposed to those who took the kids to school in a Hummer. Antibiotic-resistant infections aren't going to be confined to those who abused antibiotics.

      It's stupid to knowingly inflict collective punishment, but Mother Nature should be the allegorical figure wearing a blindfold.

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