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  •  Of course parents should be able to teach their (0+ / 0-)

    .... children whatever they want.

    But this is just a question so the Republicans can have talking points for the next election.

    All Religious (and non religious) people have "free will" or conscience.  This means that they as adults chose to believe in certain doctrines, or not, and choose to follow certain laws, or not.   If a religious denomination's leadership chooses to tell its followers to make doctrinal war upon its government(s) by refusing to follow laws, such as encouraging child abuse or encouraging discrimination, then it is up to the followers of that religion to decide themselves just how far they intend to adhere to the church's rules vs. living in a civilized society.

    In other words, it's not the government's "problem" to make any laws making them change their minds.  

    It is up to the churches to decide whether or not they want to live in a civilized society and follow the laws of a secular government.

    Once their children are adults, if these offspring chose not to live in an abusive, hateful situation, then they should again have the freedom to leave it.  This is, ignoring the political campaign finance scheme for a second, what is bothering the fundamentalists, the lack of control over a very small percentage of their flock who does not conform and will not hate themselves and stay in the religion.

    And that is the religion's problem, not the government's.

    We have seen what happens when one religion is allowed to blatantly discriminate against another, you end up with armed mercenary squads representing different tribes roaming the country, killing at will.  This is not government.  They may have done it to these countries in the mid east in preparation for their own version of Armeggeddon, but there is no reason to coddle them here.

    I hope I've made myself clear. The argument that the religious folk try to make that this means everyone "hates" them is not true.  This is a conscious choice they have made to promote hatred and discrimination against a certain segment of our nation. This is against our Constitution, which respects all religions but does not give any one the ability to run our government, which is secular. I am old enough to have seen the same entities do the same arguments  based on race, or against "communism,"  or against women, so any sort of revisionist history isn't going to have any legitimacy with me, and why I am answering in terms that can be understood by them (altho it sometimes gets me in trouble here with people who don't realize what I'm doing.)

    "Toads of Glory, slugs of joy... as he trotted down the path before a dragon ate him"-Alex Hall/ Stop McClintock

    by AmericanRiverCanyon on Thu Apr 09, 2009 at 08:35:54 AM PDT

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