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  •  I didn't say (0+ / 0-)

    that solid waste management is "sufficient to mitigate [our] contribution to the problem." I only wanted to to correct a possibly misleading statement in the original diary. Facts are facts (such as we know them).

    I don't know where you're getting your information about where the rubbish comes from, but your assertion that it's mostly from N. American and Europe is not borne out by the facts that I have read.

    I agree that a plastic bag ban is a good idea. But consider that the bulk of the plastic detritus in the gyre is not plastic bags; it's mostly cigarette lighters, bottle caps, bottles, ballpoint pens and interestingly, straws. Because of the shape of straws, they can tolerate far more stress than other plastic shapes, even though the plastic itself is thinner. That's not to say there aren't a fair number of grocery bags out there, but these are only a fraction of the problem.

    It's funny that you read my response as a defense of the US and an attack on Asia. It's neither.

    Ironic points of light flash out/Wherever the Just exchange their messages. -W.H. Auden

    by Crypsis on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 02:37:10 PM PDT

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    •  My Main Source is UNEP GRID (0+ / 0-)

      Which is generally reliable and conservative. I use numerous other sources as well, but UNEP understates, if anything.

      UNEP GRID Global

      UNEP GRID NA Souix Falls

      Some specifics may interest you:

      Vital Waste Graphics - Initial Release

      Viatl Waste Graphics - Updates

      Vital Climate Graphics (1995 base)

      Vital Climate Graphics - Update

      In addition, UNEP has a global database with most data current within 1 year.

      The USA, percapita, ranks very close to the top on CO2 emissions and is No. 1 in solid wastes.

      Furthermore, developed countries including the US and EU have a pretty bad record exporting toxic waste (including waste electical equipment for "recycling") to 3rd world and developing countries.  

      Very nice waste management methods.  Yellow is where it is generated. Red is where it is dumped.

      Your plastic becomes airbourne and ends up in the sea too, and US companies are major benificiaries of producing materials shipped elswhere, ultimately into the sea/atmosphere. Consummer in developing countries also own a big share of the pollution produced elswhere, although they conveniently deny it while pointing fingers at producers (captive to multinational corporate supply chains) as bad guys.

      Free lunch is great when you can get it.

      An intesting comparrison is the US and China, the two largest CO2 generators (about equal in total emissions). On a percapita basis, China is below the world avaerage and the US far above it. Different places, different situations, both a problem, both need to improve.

      Interesting data in several respects.

      The rich are different.

      Ask me about my daughter's future - Ko

      by koNko on Sun Apr 12, 2009 at 08:55:20 PM PDT

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