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  •  I still think that they're not commenting (5+ / 0-)

    because they want the argument struck down in court, setting important precedent, rather than letting it fester, unruled on, from the Bush years.

    it would be easy to challenge such precedent if the party arguing the opposing view was openly expressing their doubts about its legality.

    the Obama DOJ has to present this argument fairly in court in order to have it ruled on, and a binding precedent set.

    would it have been nice if this was ruled on while Bush was still President?  Absolutely... but I'm not convinced that its better for the Obama Admin to ignore this argument, rather than bringing it into court to be ruled on.

    I understand that and I will watch you on Fox News and feel bad about myself Our President is Awesome

    by TobyRocksSoHard on Mon Apr 13, 2009 at 06:43:24 PM PDT

    •  Or Obama just wants the power... (5+ / 0-)

      and he's not giving it up.  

      I think its that simple.  And it the job of congress to make sure he gives it up or they are not doing their job.  

    •  whom are you going to believe, after all? (4+ / 0-)
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      sphealey, jlynne, Skid, Johnny Q

      The president, a nice guy who gives eloquent speeches, or your own lying eyes?

      That's the choice here. It's the same choice Bush offered his base. They made the wrong choice and it wrecked their party. I would hope the Democrats acquit themselves better than the GOP did.

      "In America, the law is king." --Thomas Paine

      by limpidglass on Mon Apr 13, 2009 at 06:52:53 PM PDT

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    •  until I see actual policy (2+ / 0-)
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      Harkov311, sillycilla

      coming out of the DOJ, and not simply the presentation of arguments to be ruled on as to their legality and constitutionality.

      I think we need to see some policy from the DOJ, and not just their legal presentations.  President Obama is a con law nerd.  Even if he disagrees with these positions of the Bush Admin, he's better off having a ruling on them, so its clear whether Congressional action is needed, or a Constitutional amendment, or no action at all because the issue is dead in the courts.

      I'm sorry, I'm not yet as cynical as the rest of you seem to be.  I don't think that there is real cause for alarm or judgment at this point- only critical thinking, awareness, and vigilance.  If I'm wrong, we have to hope that the courts rule the right way anyways.  And if I'm right, some of the more odious doublethink of the Bush admin is struck down in fair, open court, setting an important legal precedent, or at least the Obama admin and Congress can craft legislation to deal with the issue based on an already known judicial interpretation of the law and Constitution, rather than crafting hasty legislation that may itself find itself afoul of the court someday.

      I understand that and I will watch you on Fox News and feel bad about myself Our President is Awesome

      by TobyRocksSoHard on Mon Apr 13, 2009 at 07:37:38 PM PDT

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    •  Obama's not commenting... (5+ / 0-)

      ...because if he did so it would have an effect on the pending legal cases.

      Like I said, this is a horseshit debate whipped up by phony progressives like Glenn Greenwald (who's a libertarian, folks, and has no fucking desire to see President Obama succeed overall).

      Look at the larger context.

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