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  •  You bring up a good point (2+ / 0-)
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    Dar Nirron, dotalbon

    being that the more modern religions we know of today were a way to govern the masses with scary hell and holy heaven as punishment and reward.

    What happens when you take away that restriction?  Will people be able to hold themselves accountable instead of relying on their church to set the rules?

    There are people out there who will believe anything.  Do we want to take away their Master?

    "See the animal in it's cage that you built. Are you sure what side of the glass you are on?" -- NIN

    by MotherTrucker on Mon Apr 13, 2009 at 12:44:38 PM PDT

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    •  Richard Dawkins pointed out (4+ / 0-)

      that the moral code enlightened people live by today -- equal rights for women and minorities, government by democracy,  preserving the planet for future generations, valuing science over ignorance  -- isn't found anywhere in the Judeo-Christian or Moslem Bibles.  Most of it comes from the Enlightenment.

      Without the dogma of religion, we'd do just fine, IMHO.    

      Their cause, if they had one, is nothing to them now. They hate for hate's sake. (W.H. Auden)

      by dotalbon on Mon Apr 13, 2009 at 12:51:18 PM PDT

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      •  I think the idea of individual resonsibility... (1+ / 0-)
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        comes out of the Judeo-Christian tradition as reasserted by the Protestant Reformation and was a basis for the enlightenment and the rise of republicanism and democracy.

        Cooper Zale Los Angeles http://www.leftyparent.com

        by leftyparent on Mon Apr 13, 2009 at 01:00:50 PM PDT

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    •  Apply the Golden Rule... (2+ / 0-)
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      catleigh, Dar Nirron

      and back that up with the secular covenant of laws and humane enforcement.

      Cooper Zale Los Angeles http://www.leftyparent.com

      by leftyparent on Mon Apr 13, 2009 at 12:59:25 PM PDT

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