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  •  not for profit news > for profit news (2+ / 0-)
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    Angry Mouse, miranda2060

    Not for profit citizen journalism doesn't hide stories or fabricate them. For profit news is about as Fair and Balanced as a crooked jewelers scale.

    When the traditional media goes down, we will fill the void.

    We've been doing it for free for long enough, back since Upton Sinclair and Ralph Waldo Emerson.

    A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward. - FDR

    by MinistryOfTruth on Wed Apr 15, 2009 at 08:13:51 AM PDT

    •  Yup. Just look at Democracy Now! (4+ / 0-)

      They depend completely on donations from individuals, but Amy Goodman covers stories that it sometimes takes six months (or longer) to get attention from the traditional media.  And she doesn't have a White House press pass or any kind of special access.  She just looks into the stories no one else is talking about, and tries to get to the bottom of it.

      You know, like a journalist.

      Please, President Obama, remember the ladies and be more generous and favorable to them than your ancestors.

      by Kaili Joy Gray on Wed Apr 15, 2009 at 08:16:37 AM PDT

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      •  How does she make a living? (1+ / 0-)
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        That is, who pays her to do this?

        I would do that too, if someone were willing to pay me for it.

        Lots of journalists out there would be willing to do this -- if we were paid for it.

        Why do you think journalists should work for free?

        "The difference between the right word and the almost-right word is like the difference between lightning and the lightning bug." -- Mark Twain

        by Brooke In Seattle on Wed Apr 15, 2009 at 08:58:37 AM PDT

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        •  I don't think journalists should work for free. (0+ / 0-)

          I think we've had this discussion before.  I think journalists do deserve to be paid for what they do, but I also think the current business model of traditional newspapers is hopelessly outdated and failing.  And in order for them to survive at all, they will have to adapt their business model -- or suffer the fate of, for example, the Seattle PI.

          Please, President Obama, remember the ladies and be more generous and favorable to them than your ancestors.

          by Kaili Joy Gray on Wed Apr 15, 2009 at 09:18:41 AM PDT

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      •  She does great work (0+ / 0-)

        but she doesn't have the audience a newspaper does, and is hardly tackling the local corruption issues that will be ignored once the local paper dies.

      •  All I can ask you is.. (0+ / 0-)

        ask the average informed (because the uninformed would name nothing) what was the last Democracy Now story Amy Goodman published that changed things and expect a blank stare.  Where as in Michigan you can name Kilpatrick, or the Slug Fund, in Ohio the Blade Coingate story that opened the doors for the Democrats to take back the state, etc.

        Heck, I'm informed and I can only recall Amy Goodman as a periodic guest on Air America/Prog Radio programs.

        "Out on the edge you see all the kinds of things you can't see from the center." - Kurt Vonnegut

        by Mister Gloom on Wed Apr 15, 2009 at 11:03:06 AM PDT

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    •  Citizens don't fabricate them? (3+ / 0-)
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      cardinal, kurt, MinistryOfTruth

      Are you kidding?  I have seen so much slanted and flat-out wrong information from "citizens" who think themselves champion of an issue that it is clear they are willing to fabricate.

      Darwinic pilgrims claim the image fills them with an overwhelming feeling of logic. --The Onion

      by mem from somerville on Wed Apr 15, 2009 at 08:51:20 AM PDT

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      •  asdf (1+ / 0-)
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        kurt

        When citizens are wrong, other citizens (especially in the blogosphere) will hold them accountable.

        When the traditional media is wrong we end up looking for WMD's in Iraq, and if we are lucky a retraction/correction shows up on page 23 two weeks later.

        We may be wrong sometimes (or often), but our ability to be corrected makes us greater.

        With a profit-motive there is more incentive to protect the lie and call it "news" and "perspective"

        Of course, this is all just IMHO.

        Cheers, mem

        A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward. - FDR

        by MinistryOfTruth on Wed Apr 15, 2009 at 09:44:30 AM PDT

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