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  •  I hate that term (2+ / 0-)
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    No one owns any vote - you can't steal it.  It is yours to do with it what you want - you can't throw it away.  Sometimes a vote for a spoiler candidate can even be a very powerful one.  Just look at the example of Perot - he spurred Clinton to be much more fiscally conservative (whether you like that or not) and put balancing the budget on the agenda.  His candidacy was effective, even if he didn't win, and that's something that most people don't realize about how some third parties work.

    •  And look at the 2000 candidacy of Nader, which (3+ / 0-)
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      almost certainly resulted in George W. Bush becoming POTUS...

      I believe that in every country the people themselves are more peaceably and liberally inclined than their governments. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt

      by Blue Knight on Sun Apr 19, 2009 at 09:17:35 AM PDT

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      •  So that was the decision of the Floridians (1+ / 0-)
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        and the people in New Hampshire who voted Nader.

        Besides, however at fault Nader may be, it's been used to much as a scapegoat for the failure of congressional Democrats and our electoral system, which has seen surprisingly little reform since what should have been a wake up call in 2000.

        •  And the country paid a huge price because those (0+ / 0-)

          people voted Nader. I knpow those voters thought they were doing what was right, but just look at the consequences.

          Before the last election, kos remarked that he wanted "more and better Democrats". I agree with that, with special emphasis on the "better". Yes, we have some Dems in office that aren't so hot. So, instead of voting for the Tooth Fairy Party, let's work to get better people running as our candidates.

          I believe that in every country the people themselves are more peaceably and liberally inclined than their governments. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt

          by Blue Knight on Sun Apr 19, 2009 at 09:26:10 AM PDT

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          •  That's not what I was talking about (0+ / 0-)

            I was saying that I hate having votes talked about like they are a commodity.

            And then I was saying that spoiler candidacies can be effective in getting an agenda implemented (another example - the Prohibition Party, which was never terribly successful but their potential success scared Republicans enough that their agenda got adopted), not that I agree with the practice.

            And then I was saying that Nader is too often a scapegoat, even if he probably should have dropped out of the race.

            Personally, I'm not even sure that third parties should run presidential candidates at this point in our history (although I do think they can be powerful local tools if managed correctly).  So I don't know why you're coming at me.

            •  First, I don't mean to "come at you" at all, (0+ / 0-)

              and I'm sorry if it came off that way. I see third party candidacies as a definite danger, and so I'm trying to make the point that people should very carefully consider the consequences of them before they support them. That's all I'm trying to say.

              I believe that in every country the people themselves are more peaceably and liberally inclined than their governments. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt

              by Blue Knight on Sun Apr 19, 2009 at 09:38:06 AM PDT

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