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  •  Don't lose sight of the 'other' Republicans... (4+ / 0-)

    Look for a group of more moderate Republicans to emerge over the next several months.  Let's call it the intelligent wing.

    Look for them to develop a 2, 4, 6 and 8 year plans to reestablish the party as a major player.

    I expect their plans to be along the lines of crafting a message that will appeal to the center right and much of the center.  Probably a message of fiscal responsibility, security and, gosh darn, just good middle American values.   And that value position will be largely race- and sexual orientation-free.

    I think the Delays and Roves will be tossed aside.  

    Look at Meghan McCain's speech to the Log Cabin Republicans.  As she says, the old guys are probably scared shitless because they are starting to realize that there is no role for them in the upcoming rebirth.

    And when it comes election time, all these chronically angry folks will either vote for the New Republican Party or stay at home.  Extremely unlikely they will turn up and vote Democratic.

    Might be best if we were to spend less time on the baggers and more time on delivering the goods now that we have the power.

    That, and making sure our noses - the noses of Democratic office holders - are as clean as possible.

    15 to 6. Pulled ahead as soon as the gate opened and never looked back....

    by BobTrips on Sun Apr 19, 2009 at 10:32:43 AM PDT

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    •  I think the time for that to work.... (1+ / 0-)
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      has passed.

      Look.....there is a relative universe of folks with GOP leanings and you can cut that swath across an area running from Nelson Rockefeller and Jacob Javits (and even Christie Todd Whitman) to Rush Limbaugh, James Dobson and Tom DeLay.

      The hard right wing of the party still maintains control.  It is where the money flows in and the zealots hold sway.  The think tanks, the foundation, the still comes from the Kochs, Freedom's Watches, Scaifes, Heritage Institutes, etc.

      Let's suppose there is a cadre of moderate Republicans.....I know there are some out there, but if they were going to coalesce and form a concerted effort to retake the party, they have two problems:

      1- if the party is divided between whack job and moderate, neither wing has enough numbers to win elections.  The Whack jobs have been a source of money and organization, but their ideas (if they had any) are discredited.  The moderates have lots of thoughts on how to appeal to the traditional middle (that land beloved by David Broder) but they haven't got (at least right now) the same kinds of money and organization the nut jobs do and if they try and get organized, they will face virulent hatred, charges that they hate America and threats of all sorts.

      2- To get enough voters to win an election, they have to appeal to moderate independents and yet more and more of those have been swinging over to the Democratic side in terms of their voting.  (Look at the GOP absentee ballot numbers in NY 20 Tedisco/Murphy which have gone for Murphy and not the GOP candidate -- that is disaffection)  Sure, many of them tend to be more in the Blue Dog or Yellow Dog range of political opinion as Democrats, but at the same time, they have departed the GOP and there isn't much of anything they see right now that would lure them back.  Some might go back to an effective moderate GOP wing, but not all of them I suspect, and surely not enough to allow the creation of a new moderate GOP majority right now.

      Historically we have gone through long cycles in America of moving from left to right and back again in reaction to historic and economic influences and the appeal of ideas and politicians at the time, and undoubtedly we will do so again eventually.

      But right now, I don't see any near-to-mid-term circumstances which give the present Republican Party any reason for optimism.  Their ideology has been proven disastrous, you can't name me a potential Presidential candidate which appears to have a ghost of a chance right now, and their prospects for the mid-terms, overall are grim with a viable possibility that they may even lose their final remaining power of filibuster threats in the Senate.  They are isolated geographically, and ideologically.

      They are a party divided and increasingly neither wing trusts or will support the other.  Not a pretty picture....for them, but just fine with me.

      Free markets would be a great idea, if markets were actually free.

      by dweb8231 on Sun Apr 19, 2009 at 03:01:26 PM PDT

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      •  Try to be more creative... (0+ / 0-)

        Two year plan - don't help the really awful Republicans get reelected.  Put all available resources into campaigns of people who can be attractive to the middle in years to come.  Even if the 2010 people aren't likely to win, create some name recognition.

        The near term goal is to 'retire' the old guard.  Kick the Gingrich generation to the curb.

        Four year plan - depending on how things are going, repeat.  Try to start building numbers in Congress and give promising young candidates some experience in large scale campaigns.

        Six year plan - if things are going well, work to regain as many seats as possible and get the 2014 presidential possibilities in front of the public.

        Eight year plan - especially if Obama has not finished strong, mount a full on campaign for the White House.  If chances don't look good then use the campaign to give the 2018 candidates some seasoning.

        Remember, the goal is to carve a new 51% majority be reaching into the slightly left side of the center.  Set the target cutoff left of center.

        The baggers will either add to the victory or stay at home.  

        Also remember that the Republican Party has disregarded the most racist.  Powell, Rice, Steele, Jindal, ....  

        It ain't their daddy's party.

        15 to 6. Pulled ahead as soon as the gate opened and never looked back....

        by BobTrips on Sun Apr 19, 2009 at 04:40:42 PM PDT

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        •  It won't make one helluva lot of difference (1+ / 0-)
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          whether "new" Republicans, "old" Republicans or "old" or "new" Democrats are elected as long as Corporations have the money to buy whoever is elected.  Agribusiness has bought Democratic Congress members just last month; Wall Street will always have enough money to buy whomever they need, and defense contractors have facilities (employing tens of thousands of workers) in every state and still spend millions on lobbyists.

          Corporations' political rights have to be taken away including their right to "petition their government for a redress of greivences."

          Attention states that are passing Sovereignty Acts - the 10th Amendment doesn't mention corporations.

          "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

          by SueDe on Sun Apr 19, 2009 at 08:19:18 PM PDT

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