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  •  No states are going to leave (2+ / 0-)
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    No one state, and no group of states, has the power to stand up to the Federal Government, which is infinitely better armed and organized than it was in the days of Abraham Lincoln.  In addition, the secessionists of 1860-1861 began secession before Lincoln took office, so that the problem could not be nipped in the bud before it grew to a serious problem.  If any one state were to try to secede today, the whole thing would be over by the next morning, with Federal troops occupying every fort, armory, and strategic post in the state.  The only advantage would-be secessionists have at this point is that nobody takes them seriously.  If they start actually trying to move something through a legislature, that will obviously change.

    •  The Texas legislature (6+ / 0-)

      reduced Gov. Perry's office funding by 95% as a smackdown for his verbal diarrhea re: secession.

      "All that serves labor serves the nation. All that harms labor is treason. -Abraham Lincoln

      by happy camper on Sat Apr 18, 2009 at 10:12:46 PM PDT

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    •  Secessionists were grumbling in the (0+ / 0-)

      early 1800's.  South Carolina gave President Jackson fits.  With their fears of slave rebellions and the "Tariff of Abominations" which raised duties from 33% to 50%, South Carolinians believed the federal government to be indifferent to their issues; the core issue being slavery.

      In a letter dated 1827, Thomkas Cooper, the president of SC College stated:

      ..."the time may be at hand when the state will have to calculate the value of the Union, and ask of what use to us is this most unequal alliance."

      I agree whole-heartedly with your prediction that:

      If any one state were to try to secede today, the whole thing would be over by the next morning, with Federal troops occupying every fort, armory, and strategic post in the state.  

      These folks may indeed become dangerous if enough seperate conditions fall into place to create the "perfet storm", but for now --imho -- they are posturing and attempting intimidation to assuage their white male egos now that there is undeniable proof that their age of dominance in the US is over.

      As we express our gratitude, we must never forget that the highest appreciation is not to utter words, but to live by them. -John F. Kennedy

      by JaxDem on Sun Apr 19, 2009 at 04:13:37 AM PDT

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      •  You both made my point; I forgot to include the (1+ / 0-)
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        downstream consequences of Perry's call to secceed - have you heard about the

        "Oath Keepers" -

        If you don't have time to watch the full 8-min video, at least chase down some of their links.

        These guys are a movement that are actually suggesting that if Obama does call out National Guard troops (what's left of them) to deal with domestic situation, that the soldiers in the NG and any other branch of US military have a duty NOT TO FOLLOW ORDERS BY THE PRESIDENT (Commander in Chief) against other AMERICANS.

        Do you remember seeing that during Vietnam?

        I don't.

        George Orwell is banging on the lid of his coffin and screaming, "1984 was a cautionary tale, you dolts, not a motivational speech!"

        by snafubar on Sun Apr 19, 2009 at 05:58:20 AM PDT

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    •  You missed my point. I didn't say they would (0+ / 0-)

      succeed, I said that the rhetoric was the catalyst to a larger movement.

      Everybody but the idiots with this drool coming out of their mouth knows they can't secceed - the interstate commerce nightmare alone would be such a logistical nightmare it would never get past one day in the Texas Lege -

      but that's not the point of my diary.

      Again - I'm focused on the mentality that is building in the small minds who own guns and have little education. They're the ones who I saw at my local town rally the other night when Alan Keyes spoke. We're not talking intellectual giants here - and one of the stupid little ladies in the crowd, maybe in her early 40's had a sign that read

      "Bind them up with the chains of the Constitution"

      Now - if the RW is able to gather a crowd in 2009 after Obama is president to cry the Constitution is being violated about their fucking taxes, but those very same people who are so concerned about the Constitution stayed home and gave Bush his support after all he did to piss all over it,

      ...I'd say we're dealing with a group who isn't going to be at any table to reason with, because they have no basis in reason.

      I'm not saying a seccesionist movement will succeed in making it happen, I'm saying that it will succeed in getting just enough tightly-wound people with their head up their asses to do something stupid that we've got small uprisings all over the country that will cause a shift in nationwide mentality.

      I'm focused on the lunacy of their rhetoric; not the plausibility of their thoughts.

      George Orwell is banging on the lid of his coffin and screaming, "1984 was a cautionary tale, you dolts, not a motivational speech!"

      by snafubar on Sun Apr 19, 2009 at 05:52:16 AM PDT

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