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  •  Clearly, (1+ / 0-)
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    these fuckers are/were some twisted mofos to go to such great trouble to fine tune their sadistic, power-hungry, compensating mechanism. If they truly had been pragmatic - i.e., in search of information useful to protecting American lives and property - they would've used methods tried and true; instead, they went straight - straight - to horrific methods that demonstrably (a) produce terrible results in terms of reliable, actionable intelligence; and (b) are morally and legally about as wrong as you can be, and they expended enormous resources in doing so.

    As nightfall does not come all at once, neither does oppression. - Justice William O. Douglas

    by occams hatchet on Sat Apr 18, 2009 at 06:51:16 AM PDT

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    •  According to her sources (1+ / 0-)
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      (too many of which remain unnamed) the FBI was getting actionable intelligence without the use of these sadistic measures.  It was primarily after the CIA was orederd by the White House to take over that the shit really began.  What they did to Zubayda, as bad an actor as there is, was nonetheless nothing short of inhuman--waterboarding, caging, the use of a leash as to whipsaw him into concrete walls, forced standing until serum oozed from the skin surrounding his grossly swollen ankles, sleep deprivation.    
      This country deserves every bit of dishonor it gets for what is detailed in this book and in the ICRC report.  We have truly lost whatever claims we had to the highground, no matter how fanciful they were before.  For now we accurately hold the ground once held by the worst of regimes in history--and all of it justified by OLC and DOJ lawyers, and now, it appears, to be forgotten (if not forgiven).

      I am truly ashamed.

      •  I agree. (1+ / 0-)
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        In fact, I have been working on a diary for some months about how it is essential, if Obama is to restore "government" and all that that means, that these crimes be reconciled.

        As nightfall does not come all at once, neither does oppression. - Justice William O. Douglas

        by occams hatchet on Sat Apr 18, 2009 at 12:02:36 PM PDT

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