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  •  re sen feinstein's hearings - i have a feeling (6+ / 0-)

    they won't amount to anything.

    "Wilderness is not a luxury but a necessity of the human spirit." Edward Abbey

    by timbuck on Sat Apr 18, 2009 at 05:19:13 PM PDT

    •  DiFi's hearings will be like torture prosecutions (5+ / 0-)

      non-binding and harmless.

      Have you forgotten about jesus? Don't you think it's time that you did?

      by uc booker on Sat Apr 18, 2009 at 05:20:52 PM PDT

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      •  Feingold's on the Committee. (0+ / 0-)

        The Fear Machine has been turned up to eight.

        by ben masel on Sat Apr 18, 2009 at 05:39:13 PM PDT

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        •  He's filling the failed hero role. (0+ / 0-)

          It's such a play: the acting, the scripts the singing and dancing bullshit. I do think the lighting and make-up could be better.

          Our congresscritters are determined to give us the total theater experience. It really makes you believe that their government is actually working for you, doesn't it?

          - A fried California Roll sounds stupidly good. I mean, it's fried. It's automatically good. - aclockworkprple

          by James Kresnik on Sun Apr 19, 2009 at 03:08:31 PM PDT

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    •  Feinstein (and others) who say they are shocked (3+ / 0-)
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      by this breach are either ignorant, stupid or liars. First of all, all digital traffic goes over the telecommunications companies' backbone. There is no way to send traffic from one location to another location (from one LAN to another LAN) without traversing it. We have given the NSA access to that backbone. Now are you telling me, after our experience with J. Edgar Hoover, who had so many files on almost every public or powerful figure in the country that no one could fire him without either hurting themselves or someone they were connected to, are you telling me we trust these intelligence officials to not gather information on people within this country even though it would make them powerful beyond belief? Think of it, any president or rogue intelligence official could monitor every phone call, every email, every tweet, all cell phone traffic, every internet search and every web page view of not only every opposition politician, but anyone in the country he was interested in: judges, lawyers, CEO's of companies, reporters, politicians, whomever. This is the power we are entrusting to them. And we are trusting them not to abuse it. They have already abused it:

      Officials would not discuss details of the overcollection problem because it involves classified intelligence-gathering techniques. But the issue appears focused in part on technical problems in the N.S.A.’s ability at times to distinguish between communications inside the United States and those overseas as it uses its access to American telecommunications companies’ fiber-optic lines and its own spy satellites to intercept millions of calls and e-mail messages.

      This is an obvious lie as it is very easy to tell which traffic goes from within the country to foreign countries. Digital traffic on the backbone is transferred from router to router in discreet bundles of information called packets, and every packet has the IP address that sent it and the IP address it is destined for. We know which IP blocks go to foreign addresses so any surveillance program would just inspect the packet and see where it came from and where it was going. If both the destination IP address and the source address were domestic IP addresses the communication would be privileged (theoretically). These politicians acting shocked that the power was abused is the most cynical of jokes.  

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