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  •  TNR (4.00)
    It was, once, a great magazine, particularly under Kinsley.  It ended with Sullivan and Kelly's reign and the fact that they promoted a movie whose storyline was predicated on the magazine's shabby fact-checking shows how far they have fallen.

    It still is readable at times.  Ryan Lizza is terrific (he promoted Dean when few heard of him), as are some of the writers.  They do publish John Judis, which is important.  

    But TNR's obsession with contrarianism, as well as it's "Israel, Right or Wrong", almost Likudite editorial position, makes the "even the liberal TNR" talking point more and more absurd.

    It is a shame that TNR's publisher, who once promoted Gore and Kinsley, has managed to make one of liberalism's great magazines increasingly irrelevant.

    I have no problem with a publication such as TNR occasionally promoting a different viewpoint in their contributor's columns.  But it increasingly seems to be the rule, not the exception.

    It's a damn shame.  80+ years of a once-great magazine and it has culminated in promoting Joe Leiberman.

    •  Boo-ya! (none)
      I don't know whether I think it's smart because I agreee, or that I agree because I think it's so smart. And I think I would have used cynicism to substitute for contrarianism.

      What it could be, which is so frustrating, is a good political analysis magazine that is not so overwhelmingly partisan as Nation or TAP (or whatever conservative crap you might read) and yet more informative and sustained than a blog. That would be a market opportunity and a welcome mag - actually more an interesting mag than a market opp, given the increasing polarization of the polity, etc etc..

      •  Re: Boo-ya! (none)
        Dammit.  That's the thing that really pisses me off.  It was and it was not that long ago.  

        Even their literary section, which was once very interesting, has become "all snark, all the time".  

        The problem is that all of these magazines aren't "market opportunities".  They're either vanity projects (TNR) or a way to propogate a message (Weekly Standard, Murdoch).  They don't make money.

        George Soros.  Calling George Soros.  George, do you read Daily Kos comments on New Year's Eve?!?  Hello!!!

      •  Re: Boo-ya! (none)
        I suggest all who read the TNR stop doing so and start reading the Washington Monthly. It is what the TNR could be.

        Ben P

        Liberalism: not the left, but the vital center

        by Ben P on Wed Dec 31, 2003 at 05:51:27 PM PST

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    •  Re: TNR (none)
      I have the exact same feeling about the NYT

      Knowledge is the Past. Wisdom is the Future. - Herbie Hancock

      by Night Owl on Wed Dec 31, 2003 at 05:10:36 PM PST

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    •  Typo? (none)
      Was that misspelling of Holy Joe's last name a typo or intentional?  I don't mean any offense; I'm just curious, because given how much Joe's been lying through his teeth about Dean, I've taken to calling him Joe Lie-berman ;-)

      Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives. -John Stuart Mill

      by Kaushansky on Wed Dec 31, 2003 at 07:58:48 PM PST

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