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  •  Re: Why Dean can win without the South (1.50)
    You win some, you lose some.

    You're right that Dean is unlikely to win.

    But Clark is unlikely to win for the same reasons, and an even worse candidate than Dean.  Clark shares Dean's oppostion to the 2003 Iraq war--Dean's only "controversial" liberal stance.

    What is it, for you that marks Clark as less JFK than Dean?  What is Clark's appeal?  His military rank?  Is that it?  That he's not from Vermont?

    If the core problem with Dean is his position on Iraq 03, then Clark shares that, and adds to it his inexperience with public policy.

    If you're worried about Dean, I'd suggest you consider a candidate like Gephardt, who is a real Democrat who does not carry the stigma of opposing a war that (unfortunately) most Americans strongly endorse.  



    •  Re: Why Dean can win without the South (none)
      I have a new policy:

      Anyone who from this point says, "vote for so-and-so because he/she's a real democrat" will be slapped with a Super Troll rating.  No ifs, ands, or buts.  All the candidates are real Democrats, and for anyone on this site to insuate otherwise will get my immediate contempt.

      Thank you.

      I'm a "Real" Democrat, and I support Howard Dean. Eat a dick, Slacker.

      by AEDem2004 on Wed Dec 31, 2003 at 04:26:07 PM PST

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      •  Re: Why Dean can win without the South (none)
        Hmm.  Touched a nerve?

        Yes, Dean, Clark and the all dems are real in the sense of existing and being registered as Democrats.

        "Real" here implies that one becomes more of a Democrat by having a record of endorsing and fighting for things that are at the traditional core of the Democratic party--especially economic democracy a la the New Deal.

        You know that Dean was vociferously pro-NAFTA when it counted, and that he endorsed privatising medicare, and that he suggested rasing the retirement age to 70, and that he is a militarist who endorses increased military spending, and that he supported Republicrat Bill Clinton's draconican "Welfare Reform" of 1993.  You know he approved civil unions only after being forced to by the VT courts.

        Dean said: "I was a triangulator before Clinton was a triangulator. In my soul, I'm a moderate."

        Yeah, there's a guy who knows how to stand-up for core Democratic principles.

        Dean is real enough, yeah.  But if he's a real Democrat, he became one just before the election.

        The irony is that while his anti-war position makes his election unlikely, he has never been a very progressive politician.

        I wish people would consider some of the other Democrats (Gep especially), who have been consistant advocates for ethical and progressive policy over the years.


      •  Re: Why Dean can win without the South (1.28)
        I hope that means that you were as disgusted with Howard Dean as I was when he came out with that Democratic wing bull which basically implied that "moderates need no apply"  to the Democratic party.

        "Some men see things as they are and say why? I dream things that never were and say "Why not?" -Robert Kennedy

        by realAmerican on Wed Dec 31, 2003 at 07:05:26 PM PST

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          Because I didn't think it deserved to be hidden.  Not because I thought the comment was 'good'.

          "Operation Iraqi Freedom" - Because every good circus needs a Sideshow! (Gep has Deanis Envy)

          by RichM on Wed Jan 07, 2004 at 07:25:54 PM PST

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