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  •  Always good to hear from someone ... (4+ / 0-)

    ...who is actually affected AND agrees with the regs despite the pain involved.

    "The truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it." -Flannery O'Connor

    by Meteor Blades on Tue Apr 21, 2009 at 10:53:53 AM PDT

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    •  Catesby hasn't agreed to the regs, comment (0+ / 0-)

      refers to water pollution.

      Just because something's old doesn't make it good. Just because something's new doesn't make it better.

      by the fan man on Tue Apr 21, 2009 at 11:05:51 AM PDT

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      •  Well, CAFO is designed to prevent (5+ / 0-)

        pollution of mainly our waterways.  The difference from pastured animals who are never confined is, according to my Ag guy, that the manure gets spread out over a much wider area on pasture.  Which he kind of knows is a bit silly, because he's seen how small some people's fields are.  But they have to draw the line somewhere.  It's the concentration of manures that CAFO is designed to manage.  

        It requires you not only to collect all rainwater, manure and soiled bedding where the animals congregate, and dispose of it in a safe manner on you property or by sale.  But it also helps the farmer as the Dept of Ag gives you all kinds of info on the best practices for the disposal of the waste to maximise the fertilization potential for your fields.  And it's all natural, so I'm down with that.

        You are limited in where you can spread it - for example, well away from water-courses - even seasonal ones, and when you can spread it - like you obviously can't spread it when the ground is soggy.  And you obviously are limited to how much you can spread in a given area - obviously you have to spread it out.  So it's a lot of math and paperwork.

        So regulations like CAFO designed to prevent pollution are a good thing in my book.  But it was very expensive to implement, so that must keep a lot of people out of the dairying business.  Mind you, the other Dept of Ag regulations covering dairies aren't cheap either.  But they're all there for safety.

        •  Thank you for replying. I have some (3+ / 0-)
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          marina, Catesby, CcVenussPromise

          background in this working with some Catskill Watershed farmers in NYS. It might be instructive to use what was learned politically there in this situation. Farmers were given incentives to not pollute NYC's water, it wasn't a negative relationship as much as a quid pro quo. As one farmer so eloquently put it "You buy our products, we won't shit in your water." I potentially see a similar situation here.

          Just because something's old doesn't make it good. Just because something's new doesn't make it better.

          by the fan man on Tue Apr 21, 2009 at 11:30:43 AM PDT

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        •  Have you followed up with EPA fines (0+ / 0-)

          on CAFO dairies in the U.S? In your state? The EPA doesn't always get to all of them.

          Have you toured a CAFO dairy in the past year?  Or more than one?

          The disposal of carcasses is a problem. And the death rate is high.

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