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  •  Am I missing something? We are discussing (0+ / 0-)

    methane emissions by animals. Large operations will pay to continue emitting methane.

    Just because something's old doesn't make it good. Just because something's new doesn't make it better.

    by the fan man on Tue Apr 21, 2009 at 11:11:07 AM PDT

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    •  And your point is? (0+ / 0-)

      Do you not understand the CAP part to cap and trade?

      "When your enemies are throwing Teabagging Protests, mock them." -- Sun Tzu, The Art of War

      by Maimonides on Tue Apr 21, 2009 at 11:13:45 AM PDT

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      •  There hasn't been a cap proposed, just a charge (0+ / 0-)

        for emmitting. If a cap is is proposed, undoubtedly larger corporations will do a cost benefit analysis either pay the freight or move operations to Mexico or South America. They are doing it already.

        Just because something's old doesn't make it good. Just because something's new doesn't make it better.

        by the fan man on Tue Apr 21, 2009 at 11:25:05 AM PDT

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        •  Cap and trade is the LYNCH-PIN of Obama's climate (0+ / 0-)

          strategy.  and your talk of large corporations reacting by shipping farther just demonstrates you really don't get this.

          Check my recent diary on how cap and trade works, seriously.

          "When your enemies are throwing Teabagging Protests, mock them." -- Sun Tzu, The Art of War

          by Maimonides on Tue Apr 21, 2009 at 11:27:27 AM PDT

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          •  I will before I sink my foot in further. (0+ / 0-)

            Just because something's old doesn't make it good. Just because something's new doesn't make it better.

            by the fan man on Tue Apr 21, 2009 at 11:31:52 AM PDT

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            •  Thank you. nt (0+ / 0-)

              "When your enemies are throwing Teabagging Protests, mock them." -- Sun Tzu, The Art of War

              by Maimonides on Tue Apr 21, 2009 at 11:36:19 AM PDT

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              •  Ok, I'm back. Nice diary, sorry i missed it. So, (2+ / 0-)
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                how are imports, lets say from China or other foot dragging nations treated? How will we value their emissions? By product line, by nation, by company?

                Just because something's old doesn't make it good. Just because something's new doesn't make it better.

                by the fan man on Tue Apr 21, 2009 at 11:39:25 AM PDT

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                •  Ok, now we're talking! (0+ / 0-)

                  Basically you've hit on the biggest problem we have right now with climate mitigation in general: large portions of the world don't plan to join in.

                  So the question becomes (and you're asking) is how to mitigate the trade imbalance.  If you subsidize at home you neuter your emissions reductions.  So you have to put an environmental tariff on goods produced by non-compliant countries, but that won't be very popular and can result in trade wars.  So what then? . . . give them the tech.

                  WHAT?

                  Give them the new tech as you make it.  Seriously, it's the best option.

                  "When your enemies are throwing Teabagging Protests, mock them." -- Sun Tzu, The Art of War

                  by Maimonides on Tue Apr 21, 2009 at 11:52:03 AM PDT

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                  •  Thanks for replying, I was out. Commodities such (0+ / 0-)

                    as beef are really on the low end of tech fix and I'm afraid trade wars is precisely what all gov'ts are trying to avoid. So again, why not relocate your cattle farms elsewhere and ship it back here?

                    Just because something's old doesn't make it good. Just because something's new doesn't make it better.

                    by the fan man on Tue Apr 21, 2009 at 02:12:37 PM PDT

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