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  •  Welcome to "What The Jews Are." (2+ / 0-)
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    Karmafish, carllaw

    In today's episode we learn more about What The Jews Are:

    But the fact is they don't want that; they want separate rights for themselves. They are thieves.

    Thanks for reading! This has been today's episode of What The Jews Are.

    harps and angels! harps and angels!

    by zemblan on Tue Apr 21, 2009 at 01:25:20 PM PDT

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    •  You are the wind beneath my wings (1+ / 0-)
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      zemblan

      But you knew that.

    •  welcome (4+ / 0-)

      to a discussion of reality of what Jews in the West Bank are doing. Do you deny that all the land they have takein in what would be a palestinian state is stolen? Or do you deny that they are Jewish?

      I'm not sure what's controversial about this. Jews in the West Bank (one could say Israelis, but they are Israeli Jews, not Israeli Arabs) have stolen land and live under a different set of laws. They are thieves and criminals. Face reality some day.

      •  Sorta like a jerk (1+ / 0-)
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        Karmafish

        Is what you are. You didn't limit your talking to the West Bank. I know personally the person who responded to your post with "What the Jews Are." I know that his positions probably aren't very far away from most people here w/r/t the peace process. But you paint with a very broad brush, and when you do that, expect Jewish people (and my friend is Jewish) to react.

    •  What the SETTLERS are. (2+ / 0-)
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      capelza, sortalikenathan

      And I agree, the settlers really are murderous thieves. Thanks for your support.

    •  I think (hope) he means (2+ / 0-)
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      capelza, volleyboy1

      The right-wing settler lunatics who have stolen privately-owned Palestinian land (among other things).
      They're the ones that we'll probably have a civil war with eventually :(
      Actually most of the "settler" population lives close to the pre-67 lines and could be accommodated with reasonable territory swaps.
      I do agree that, eventually, after Palestine is well established, there would likely be some Jewish citizens of Palestine (loyal and equal, of course, as you said).
      Most nation-states have some kind of national minorities.

      I think that the best thing that Obama could do that would turn this whole mess around would actually be a technical fix:
      A working small rocket and mortar interception system, such as getting the Nautilus (MTHEL) laser to work.
      Something like this would arguably have prevented the last two wars almost completely.
      The thing that stalled further withdrawals from the West Bank after leaving Gaza were the rockets.
      We on the left said that the occupation was the problem.
      End the occupation and the Palestinians would stop shooting. Didn't work.
      If we left the West Bank under whatever agreement or not, we'll have katyushas on Tel-Aviv, Jerusalem and Ben-Gurion Airport.
      If the Israeli people could be reasonably sure that this couldn't happen, we'd be out of there like a shot, and any sitting Israeli government that would stand in the way would be roadkill. Not to mention the settlers.

      I ought to write a full diary about this ... with links ... eventually ...
      (Now it's midnight here, I'll talk tomorrow)

      •  that's exactly (3+ / 0-)
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        capelza, Aunt Martha, unspeakable

        what I meant. I should have specified settlers, but I thought it was clear in the context of my post that the question was unbelievably insulting to Palestinians when settlers have no right to be where they are right now.

        •  I'll admit that when I read your first comment (1+ / 0-)
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          sortalikenathan

          I flinched, but I trust you so I read on and your next comment made perfect sense, as does this.

          •  yah (1+ / 0-)
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            Aunt Martha

            long day, sloppy language.

            I honestly don't understand though how charlihall can ask that question earnestly....like, gee, I wonder why palestinians might object to those settlers living amongst them.

            •  I think I kinda do understand it, (1+ / 0-)
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              although I'm not sure, and I disagree with it completely.  I think it has to do with some people viewing Israel as wholly innocent in terms of the I/P conflict (disaster?)--that Israel is simply protecting itself, is well-intentioned, and is only waiting for a willing partner in peace.  So who wouldn't want people like that living among them?

              •  well (1+ / 0-)
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                Aunt Martha

                I think charliehall is fairly sophisticated actually. He knows his history and his politics on this issue quite thoroughly, and he has made comments similar to this many times before, as though there was no occupation to speak of.

                How've you been? Missed you lately. :)

                •  Yes, well, just because one is sophisticated (1+ / 0-)
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                  doesn't mean one isn't ________________.

                  I've been swamped, actually.  I work freelance, and have suddenly had a lot of work because of the stimulus package, which is good, as it was rather dry, and is almost over, as deadlines have passed.  And I've have had some eldercare stuff going on.  So I haven't been around that much, and when I have, have been duking it out on the torture front.  But I've missed you too!  How've you been?

      •  If that's the case then (1+ / 0-)
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        capelza

        we would evacuate the settler thugs now and leave the army to event katyushas being fired.

        If it was all about security then
        why the land theft?
        why the the policies regarding occupied jerusalem?
        why not evacuate the thugs in kiryat arba'

        •  Three answers (1+ / 0-)
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          capelza

          Why the land theft? Begin

          Why the the policies regarding occupied jerusalem? Begin

          Why not evacuate the thugs in kiryat arba'? That one I'm going to hang on Rabin.

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